suggest me first wave punk rock

[TheSadDebaser]

I'm thinking Modern Lovers, Weirdos, Wipers (not really first-wave, but close enough), that sort of thing.

[jef]

I stopped at 1980, probably forgot a bunch of good ones:

the wipers, the boys, the undertones, the rezillos, the soft boys, the clash, the jam, gang of four, stiff little fingers, X, the vibrators, black flag, buzzcocks, wire, the fall, the cramps, the pagans, electric eels, rocket from the tombs, the saints, the avengers, the dils, the dicks, The Adolescents, radio birdman, the last, real kids

[jef]

the clean, toy love

[Patrick]

Those first three Saints albums for sure (especially the second, "Eternally Yours", probably one of the most underrated rock albums of all time)

The Hearthan Pere Ubu singles (collected on "Terminal Tower") and "The Modern Dance"

The Misfits "Walk Among Us" and any collection of the Plan 9 singles

Anything on Dangerhouse or What?

The first 10 or so Dischord releases

Patrick

[9000]

some others:

richard hell and the voidoids
suicide
television
velvets
b-52's
ramones
talking heads

[fuzztony]

Originally posted by jef
I stopped at 1980, probably forgot a bunch of good ones:

the wipers, the boys, the undertones, the rezillos, the soft boys, the clash, the jam, gang of four, stiff little fingers, X, the vibrators, black flag, buzzcocks, wire, the fall, the cramps, the pagans, electric eels, rocket from the tombs, the saints, the avengers, the dils, the dicks, The Adolescents, radio birdman, the last, real kids

Great list Jef! The faves I second from it are the vibrators, the jam, buzzcocks, wire, the saints. But shit, they're all great. AND I am still to buy The Fall and Gang Of Four big albums. Some things I hope are worth the wait.

But here is my wife's fave suggestion:

The Slits - Cut

The Slits - Reviewer: from somewhere in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. USA
The Slits, contemporaries of The Clash and Public Image, fused reggae, dub, and punk into their own highly original sound."Cut", their long out-of-print debut album, paved the way for the Afro-Pop of Talking Heads, the reggae/new wave hybrids of Grace Jones and Adrian Sherwood's On-U Sound System, and the trip hop of the nineties (imagine Bjork fronting Massive Attack).Along with their pals, The Raincoats, The Slits were one of the few all-female bands to garner critical acclaim, a cult following, and avoid being marketed as sex objects by their record company.

No punk era CD collection is complete without "Cut", one of rock's lost classics. Buy it while you can!

[vesper]

Wire, Gang of Four, Television, Talking Heads, B-52s? Is this really considered first-wave punk? I was under the impression that it was post-punk, or second-wave, but I could be wrong.

[TheSadDebaser]

I would probably call Wire and Gang of Four post-punk, Television first-fave (since they date back to 1970), Talking Heads second-wave, and B-52's new wave, really, not punk rock at all.

edit: also, thanks for the suggestions, I'll have to write this all down and make a trip into Manhattan and find some good shops

[Paul]

Originally posted by jef
the pagans I can't emphasize the importance of buying Shit Street asap.

[jef]

the pink album is a good one to start with too w/ the Pagans

[Kameek N Deesha]

You guys are all talking "14th wave" punk rock... sheesh... what about The New York Dolls? The Stooges? The Sonics? The Monks "Black Monk Time" (1966? Hello!)

[bitterfruit]

Eddie and The Hotrods baby!

[Dave]

Hey, this might seem like a no brainer, but maybe you should start w/the Rhino punk box, No Thanks. Also the first four Ramones albums. In another thread the fine qualities of the two Dangerhouse records collections on Frontier were mentioned. Of course I'd also suggest that you check out everything mentioned on this list so far as well, except the Talking Heads. I'd never suggest that.
Dave

[bitterfruit]

"No Thanks" is indeed brilliant.

[9000]

i figured i'd get some flack for listing the b-52's and the talking heads, but to me, their mark on punk is undeniable. i was mainly thinking of their early, 70's material that was definitely unique and innovative, if not as "punk" as those others listed.

[TheSadDebaser]

I actually already own the first five Talking Heads records. They're awesome.

I dunno about the No Thanks! box set, isn't that kinda pricey or something? And the only reason I've never expanded beyond Ramonesmania!, which I bought probably eighth grade, is because they took a bunch of their records and stuck them on a thirty-dollar two disc set, and I haven't found their regular first five records anywhere.

And I'm really thinking more obscure stuff. That I probably wouldn't have heard of. I know about all those bands that were mentioned in Please Kill Me! like the Dead Boys and the Dictators.

Anyone know anything about those Hyped 2 Death records? Their website makes it all sound very intrigueing.

[Paul]

Originally posted by TheSadDebaser
Anyone know anything about those Hyped 2 Death records? Their website makes it all sound very intrigueing. Those have been talked about on the FMBB in the past, but I can't remember if the people who knew the most about them are still posting there. It wouldn't hurt to ask, though.

[Dave]

No really, you need those first four Ramones albums, not just "Ramones Mania." The reissued CDs w/all of the bonus tracks are esp. nice. Without getting into a huge debate about personal tastes I'll just say that I would never recommend that anyone buy a Talking Heads record. No Thanks is how they say "competively priced" for a four CD box set. It is all great stuff though so that is why I recommend it, and you didn't state that you were down with the basics.
More obscure you say: Ok, well there was a mention of the Pagans here and i would consider them the single best American Punk band so go buy Shit Street. Hyped 2 Death is cool, but a bit more on the DIY side of things. For unreal raw punk rock the first four volumes of Killed By Death should never be far away.

[TheSadDebaser]

"Killed by Death"

Seriously.


That's fucking awesome. I'll have to check it out.

[Paul]

The skinny on the Killed By Death series is here. (http://www.fuzzlogic.com/flex/compilations/k.php)

[TheSadDebaser]

Awesome, thanks.

Fuckin' bookmarked.

[Dave]

Well kinda
the quick version is this. Killed By Death was the first somewhat comprehensive stab at documenting obscure punk rock w/a massive inspiration from the Back From The Grave 60's punk comps. The first volume came and was a bit flakey in that it had a few inclusions based on rareness instead of quality. For example, all of the first Beastie Boys 7" was on it. The later repressing of the LP and the CD version did not include it and it's much better off. The next three volumes came all at once and are all absolutely amazing.
Since then Killed By Death has become like the open source code of bootlegs and the quality controll just isn't there, but feel free to put one out.
Dave

[TheSadDebaser]

are they any cool second-hand shops to check out in Manhattan where one could find good cheap obscure records that any of you might be able to enlighten a novice to?

[Patrick]

The used CD section at Rocket Scientist (Carmine between Bedford and Bleecker) usually has a lot of great records at great prices.

More spotty, but still OK, are the used CD sections at Mondo Kim's (St. Mark's between Second and Third) and Other Music (East Fourth between Broadway and Lafayette).

I'd think that Generation in the Village, if it still exists, would be good for secondhand punk CDs.

Patrick

[Dave]

In addition to what Patrick suggested and on the vinyl tip, you might also want to check out: Academy LPs on 10th btwn 4th & 3rd aves, Mercer St. books on Mercer btwn Bleeker & Houston, Housing Works Book store/Cafe on Crosby btwn Houston & Prince. All of this is close enough to walk and should make for a exhausting, dirty fingered day.
Dave

[9000]

academy also has a split record/cd shop on west 18th between 5th and 6th avenues. i can't vouch for the vinyl there, but their used CDs are arguably the most reasonably priced in the city. not as indie/punk centric as the other shops mentioned, but definitely some occasional finds there.

also, in greenpoint, brooklyn there is supposedly an insane used record store under this vintage shop on manhattan ave (approaching queens). if you can withstand the mildew, it may be worth checking it out - my allergies couldn't hack it.

[TheSadDebaser]

awesome.

Thanks, guys.

[TheSadDebaser]

should I get a record bag? if so, where would I find a good one?

[SirPatrickSpens]

Man, I dunno about that No Thank You... maybe if they offered a version without Elvis Costello... Blondie?! Joe Jackson?!!? Producer & Rhino boss Gary Stewart has well-known "power pop" inclinations but that's just going too goddamn far. & yet, the Pop Group are on there too? Oh shit, I just realized I should be heading down to Red Hook for Metal Urbain--

over--

SPS

[Dave]

Regardless of your thoughts on Blondie vs. Metal Urbain I stand behind my recommendation of No Thanks 100%. Look at it this way. If you were mid-20's or younger it's not like you would have had the time or money to track all of this stuff down. It is an almost flawless comp.
Dave

[yeproc]

speaking of radio birdman, they're putting out their first album in almost 30 years and touring the US.

lyou can listen to "We've Come So Far (To Be Here Today) (http://www.yeproc.com/upload/media/view_media.php?id=278)" and check the tour dates (http://www.yeproc.com/artist_info.php?artistId=10867&page=tourdates)

[Miss Tasty Princess]

Fucking Hell, they're playing DC the same night as the just rescheduled Venom show up there and that's the closest to Atlanta. :mad: Oh, well.

The new CD is on sale for pre-order at www.CDUniverse.com for under $11.19.

[Brushback]

No one's mentioned Devo yet...

I've always been sort of dismissive of Devo, based on "Whip It" and all that crap (which was all I knew about them), but I had some friends who were really big into collecting early Devo singles. These were straight-edgers who were into Minor Threat and Negative Approach, too, not some New Order fans. They used to tell me, "No, you won't believe how 'punk rock' the early stuff is!", but I just pushed it aside.

It was only about a month or two ago that I saw a live video of "Gates of Steel", and it had me thinking that maybe Devo had some stuff worth checking out.

[Miss Tasty Princess]

The first three Devo albums are all great. Q: Are We Not Men? A: We Are Devo! is the most punk rock sounding of the bunch but all have great songs. BTW, make sure to look for the InfiniteZero label version of Duty Now for the Future as it has a couple of excellent non-LP trax from singles that were left off the more recent CD issue on Collectables. "Whip It" is from the third, Freedom of Choice, but don't let that be a deterrent as it has several classics to make up for that one like "Girl U Want," "Ton o' Love," the title track and "Gates of Steel," which you already know you like.

Unfortunately, like many bands of that time (I'm looking at you, Sparks) after those three, they kinda forgot that they could play guitar and switched primarily to the "modern" sounds of crappy synths. :(

There's also a live EP called DEV-O Live that is worth searching out. I've never owned it, stupidly, but I used to have a cassette I taped off the radio of much of the same show and it rocked mightily.

Finally, there are a bunch of different collections of pre-first LP recordings dating back to 1974 (pretty much the birth year of punk rock). The tiny bit I've heard have been very rough sounding so I can't recommend any of them with any degree of confidence.

[Patrick]

also, in greenpoint, brooklyn there is supposedly an insane used record store under this vintage shop on manhattan ave (approaching queens). if you can withstand the mildew, it may be worth checking it out - my allergies couldn't hack it.

More details please! What are the cross streets?

in the area: Academy Williamsburg, and Tim Warren (Crypt Records) new shop, Cool and Crazy, at 72 Manhattan Ave at McKibben; Jesper blogged about it in a Matablog post (http://www.matadorrecords.com/matablog/?p=36). Knowing Tim's predilections, there might be some '70s punk in addition to his usual '50s/'60s punk/garage/rock'n'roll/rockabilly fixation. Look out for the sunglasses.

Patrick

[Dave]

Finally, there are a bunch of different collections of pre-first LP recordings dating back to 1974 (pretty much the birth year of punk rock). The tiny bit I've heard have been very rough sounding so I can't recommend any of them with any degree of confidence.[/QUOTE]


Well I can. The three editions of Hardcore Devo are hands down essential. The first two are all studio recordings that mostly predate even their self released 7"s. The third one is live and in some ways is even more totally insane and confrontational. Good times! They're so good you'll be ready to fight the next time someone dismisses Devo.

Also, HCI that Devo live EP was released on CD by Rhino handmade a few years back along with the full promo only live LP (remember those LPs w/the red jackets? I think they even had Bugs Bunny one them.)
Rhino handmade also put out a pretty essential (at least the first disc is essential) dbl CD called Recombo DNA that is worthwhile to anyone damaged enough by the Hardcore Devo series.

Dave

[9000]

NEIGHBORHOOD REPORT: GREENPOINT; Vinyl Underground

By NATHANIEL RICH (NYT) 941 words
Published: May 7, 2006

TURBO TERRIFIC -- a D.J. who gave no other name -- was standing on an overturned milk crate in front of a tall bookshelf filled with records. ''I don't think of myself as a record collector,'' he said as he flipped through the records on the top shelf. ''Collecting is like a cult; it's crazy. Records are dusty, they take up space, and they weigh a lot. Why do you need them?''
As evidence, he pulled out a beat-up copy of the Jacksons' ''Victory.'' ''I'll be lucky if I find one good record all day,'' he said. ''But I'm picky: I own 15,000 records.''


It was a typically busy recent Sunday at the Thing, an inconspicuous thrift store hidden deep in Greenpoint, Brooklyn, that is home to one of the city's largest collection of vinyl records. Though vinyl may be a format on life support, long since replaced by an ever-expanding array of newer technology, you wouldn't know it from the vitality of the scene at the Thing.

While several stores claim to have the city's largest inventory of vinyl, including Beat Street Records on Fulton Street in Downtown Brooklyn and House of Oldies on Carmine Street in the West Village, the Thing is unquestionably a contender.

From street level, it is indistinguishable from the other thrift stores scattered along Manhattan Avenue. Its main floor is a crowded mishmash of ramshackle furniture, rusty automobile parts, strangers' photograph albums, used paperbacks and winter jackets.

But far in the back, a narrow staircase leads to a dank, low-ceilinged basement, where, under harsh fluorescent lights, is a sight to awe any vinyl enthusiast: three long aisles of floor-to-ceiling shelves packed tightly with tens of thousands of records. Crowding the aisles, and blocking many of the shelves, are stacks of milk crates filled with more records. Every record sells for $2. They are not sorted in any way.

''Some guys hit the golf course; I come to this place,'' said Robert Marianetti, an animator from Greenpoint who says he buys about 30 records at the Thing every week. ''I think I've been here about an hour. But I might have been here two days, for all I know.''

Sorting through the inventory, Mr. Marianetti had created two piles. The first was records he might buy. The other one?

''When I find something good that I can't use, I put it to one side for the other customers,'' he explained. One of those records was a mint copy of the Moody Blues' 1965 debut album, ''Go Now/Moody Blues No. 1.'' He already owned one.

''This would easily go for $25,'' he said, ''if this was Manhattan.''

Larry Fisher, the store's burly, affable manager, acquires the records through estate sales, auctions and classified newspaper ads. He also handles special bulk orders.

Last month, in three major sales, he sold 350 crates of records. ''So for us,'' he said, ''we're empty.''

In the six years since the Thing opened, the collection has expanded, creeping up the stairs and onto the main floor. There are now about 100,000 records downstairs, with an additional 30,000 upstairs. As Max Senchak, a heavy-metal musician who works in the store, put it, ''It's grown into something horrible.''

In the face of such quantity, not to mention such chaos, overwhelmed customers develop coping strategies. Around the time Mr. Marianetti was discovering the Moody Blues album, Sam Brown, a 24-year-old writer and actor from Williamsburg on his first trip to the store, was trying to focus on Phil Collins. He hit upon a simple tactic.

''All of his records have white cursive writing on the spine,'' he said. ''So I just looked for the cursive.'' Mr. Brown had nearly 20 records in his pile.

''It's a labyrinth down here,'' he said. ''I feel like Indiana Jones.''

The following day, Chris Frost, who has been going to the store for four years, explained his system for finding new acquisitions as soon as they arrive. ''The new crates are delivered close to the door,'' confided Mr. Frost, a handbag sample maker, part-time D.J. and casual collector from East Williamsburg. ''You can easily tell. They're just neater.''

Not so, according to Mr. Senchak.

''They think they know where we put the new shipments,'' he said with a malevolent grin. ''But I pick a different spot every single time.''

Later that afternoon, a hip-hop producer from Bushwick named Tavish Graham was intensifying his search. He scanned the shelves quickly, looking for records with beats he could sample.

''I'm in the zone,'' he said. ''There's no methodology here. Everyone's looking for the same thing: a sound you've never heard before, a missing blank in your vision of the world. See?''

Triumphantly he pulled a record from the shelf, a 1985 single by Baron, featuring the songs ''The Jammer,'' ''Priscilla'' and ''Feeling It.'' A caption on the jacket described the record as ''a delicious Calypsoul stew.''

As closing time approached, Turbo Terrific was still perched on his milk crate. He still hadn't found anything worth buying.

''The goal, of course, is to go through the whole collection,'' he said. ''But the records shift around every day, so it's impossible to keep track of what you've already seen. I've heard guys talk about hiding downstairs overnight. If you brought food and a flashlight, and you weren't afraid of the rats, or the roaches, or these weird gooey bugs that live in the shelves, then it just might be possible to make it through the whole collection in one night.''

He paused, then dismissed the idea with a wave of his hand. ''But those are some crazy dudes that talk like that.''

[Patrick]

Thanks 9000. But what's the actual address, roughly, or cross-streets? PA

[9000]

Thanks 9000. But what's the actual address, roughly, or cross-streets? PA

take the G to greenpoint ave and then walk about five blocks north on manhattan ave. i believe it's between green and freeman, give or take a block. west side of the street.

[Miss Tasty Princess]

that Devo live EP was released on CD by Rhino handmade a few years back along with the full promo only live LP (remember those LPs w/the red jackets? I think they even had Bugs Bunny one them.)
Rhino handmade also put out a pretty essential (at least the first disc is essential) dbl CD called Recombo DNA that is worthwhile to anyone damaged enough by the Hardcore Devo series.
I just got that live one recently, when Rhino Handmade was having a sale. Yep, it's killer! The Recombo thing is long gone, though. :(