DEMAND FOR PAVEMENT RARITIES COMP (please sign)

[wut wut]

matador, the people have spoken

[tinobeat]

um, well, you could get the 2CD Slanted and Enchanted reissue, which has assloads of rarities, and the Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain reissue should be coming this fall, if the Matador folks are telling the truth.

stuff after that? I don't know, are there tons of good secret rarities? I used to be a huge pavement completist and got a lot of the rare tracks through p2p or bootlegs, and the S+E and CR,CR reissues (I'm guessing as to what may or may not be on the CR,CR reish) seem like they'll cover all the necessary stuff.

I say Matador should focus forwards, not milking the Pavement archives of all its false starts and ill-informed covers.

[mashuguna]

I'll glady sign your contract Wut-Wut!!!

[Paul]

Aw, this takes me back. I first came to the Matador board way back in 1998 with the very same request.

Nostalgia...it sucks.

[winterwooskie]

sounds like we the people means like two people.

i think we need a petition to not put out another post-humous pavement collection. we don't want them to be the jimi hendrix of indie music. oh god i hope it doesn' come to that.

[tinobeat]

Originally posted by winterwooskie
sounds like we the people means like two people.

i think we need a petition to not put out another post-humous pavement collection. we don't want them to be the jimi hendrix of indie music. oh god i hope it doesn' come to that.

see, you just demonstrated how I just can't be concise at all... yes, exactly, lets not have Pavement cheapened by countless posthumous releases. do deluxe album reissues all you want (please!), but the vaults aren't lined with gold, so no need to dig through them...

[george]

Originally posted by tinobeat
...the vaults aren't lined with gold, so no need to dig through them...

actually, they are. i can't think of many bands more worthy of being raped upon the altar of obscure rarities. but the album reissues will probably cover everything. no need for a separate disc of b-sides and such.

[R.Wilder]

Have patience, grasshopper, and the years shall be rewarding...

[lenny]

i would like to see a rarities comp also... but i'd rater see them reunite. I really only care about the b sides from cr,cr and slanted anyways and those will be/are already covered in reissue form so i change my mind.

[vesper]

Originally posted by tinobeat
but the vaults aren't lined with gold, so no need to dig through them...

I waited 3 days for a "Gold Soundz" joke but I think it was just too obvious.

[Joseph]

The only Pavement CD I'd like to see Matador reissue would be the classic Appetite for Deconstruction disc.


















































































A grand total of four people got that joke and three of 'em thought it wasn't funny.

[Funk]

Originally posted by Joseph
The only Pavement CD I'd like to see Matador reissue would be the classic Appetite for Deconstruction disc.

It would take the power of a tastemaking MP3J for that to come true, my friend.

(*Oddly I just made a "joke" involving a track on this comp- I think -on the FMBB)

[Joseph]

Someone once told me that the beebs "finger-painted" the Appetite CD-Rs and that the discs fucked up a bunch of people's players as a result. Pretty funny if true. He was sort of an MP3J in those days as well -- I think all of the tracks on the CD-R were downloaded offa the Internet. It takes some pretty huge balls to sell people something that they could've downloaded for free...

[george]

Originally posted by Joseph
I think all of the tracks on the CD-R were downloaded offa the Internet.

i doubt that. i'm pretty sure this was way back when you had to trade to get rarities and stuff. i used to have a cd of pavement rarities that abomp made and i really really wish i still had it. it's really hard to find that stuff in non-mp3-sourced format these days. that's why the reissues are so great.

but did he really SELL those discs? that's pretty bad.

[Paul]

Originally posted by george
but did he really SELL those discs? that's pretty bad. I never even considered buying one, but they were going for $20 or something if I remember correctly. Then he got mad when people were copying it and selling it on eBay...hahaha!

[tinobeat]

I think he was selling 'em for $16, and had one long-ass post about why it cost so much. mind you, this was years ago, when blank CDRs were still more of a novelty and something like $2 apiece. but he's still an idiot for asking $16. the logic was this: "I'm not making money off this, but part of the cost of making the CD is my time." So if he was selling his time, then he was making money off it. He just didn't understand I guess, that being compensated for time spent on something is "making money off of something."

but yeah, at least half the stuff on the CD was downloadable (if I remember the contents of the CD right), because though I traded lots of live tapes back then, all the "rarities" were very easily downloadable from Steve Krotosky's Pavement Online Archive. Oh man, that thing was *THE BEST*.

[otto midnight]

while moving a few months back i found a peach crate full of cassettes in our music closet. there, in the midst of what is a pretty impressive collection of cure bootlegs belonging to the little woman was a cassette labeled "matthew perpetua demos". i have yet to listen to it but perhaps i can burn a pile of them and sell them for a nominal fee. about $6 sounds right. afterall, discs are cheaper now and i'm pretty loose with my time.

[Paul]

Originally posted by otto midnight
"matthew perpetua demos" God bless you and your packratting tendencies. Put me down for a copy.

[otto midnight]

not my packratting tendencies, there is no way in hell he would ever send (nor would i ever accept) a tape like that. it apparently was sent to the missus some time ago. i have never listened to it, i have the overwhelming sense of dread that it would sound like the busy signals.

[Funk]

Originally posted by otto midnight
not my packratting tendencies, there is no way in hell he would ever send (nor would i ever accept) a tape like that. it apparently was sent to the missus some time ago.

Maybe he was trying to woo her.

TINOBEAT: the logic was this: "I'm not making money off this, but part of the cost of making the CD is my time." So if he was selling his time, then he was making money off it.

God, I can remember repeatedly telling him that charging for (I believe his friend's) time is making money off it, but he never understood that at all. It was sad. Maybe as long as it stays out of stores it doesn't count.

[wut wut]

it would be lame to reissue all of the records-- it's not as if we're going to buy them for the original tracks remastered (which, in my opinion, took away the "umph" and overall character of the original s&e)

reissuing all of the records with bonuses would destroy the legacy;
it seemed fit for s&e--being such a landmark/influential record and an unexpected success, and crcr seems appropriate because it was in many ways pavement's "re-birth", and was, again, an unexpected success.

but then you feel like woweezowee was such a great record so you'll have to reissue that... then brighten the corners was really something surprising... terror twilight took a different turn...

we're buying these things for the extra tracks; let's put together a 2-3 cd set and rejoice

[wut wut]

exactly

[george]

pavement was a prolific band. their work is better defined by "eras" than individual albums, and each reissue collects a different stage in pavement's life, so i think it's cool.

[wut wut]

cd1- "the gary years"*
cd2- "the westie years"**
cd3- "the later years"***

slated for a 2005/2006 release to coincide with the supposed my bloody valentine boxset(s)



*early singles through 'watery domestic'
(although it seems that this has already been issued as s&e reduxe)
**'crooked rain' through 'wowee zowee'
***'pacific trim' through 'terror twilight'

[wut wut]

i want to know others' thoughts about the recent suggestion

[R.Wilder]

Boxsets are cool and I'm for any future Pavement releases. However, I love the expanded "Slanted" and am looking forward to "Crooked Rain" and would be happy with the other records receiving similar treatment before a boxset appears. 'Course, then the boxset might be irrelevant to those who get the material incrementally.

[johansen smith]

if you don't want the rerelease, then don't buy it. gosh, that's pretty simple, isn't it?

[TheSadDebaser]

Originally posted by wut wut
*early singles through 'watery domestic'
(although it seems that this has already been issued as s&e reduxe)

See also: Westing: By Sextant and Musket

[mimlim]

there were alot you know.. i seem to remember a website in the mid nineties packed with still unreleased tracks many of which were great.

jade coins....... underneath the sidewalk.
anyone ?

[gLoWWoRm]

More Pavement rarities/unreleased tunes are coming this fall with the reissue of Wowee Zowee in a double disc deluxe version. Godbless Matador!

[johansen smith]

Jade(Jayde?) Coins doesn't exist, it's a joke

[Moon Pix]

And I only bought Wowee about three months ago.:mad:

[transmisson78]

Hey, does anybody know why the live show on the "luxe and redux" version of Slanted And Enchanted is edited for content? What's the deal with that?

[allenc]

it was recorded for a radio broadcast.

[Lukas]

It wasn't edited from what I have heard. Box Elder has 'fuck' clearly pronounced.

[MyHeart&IAgree]

My version says "gotta get the *inaudible* out of this town" too.

I hear you about the WZ reissue wait, Moon Pix... I'm surprised they haven't made a bigger deal of this on the Pavement news page (that thing hasn't been updated since 04, but it wouldn't hurt...)