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Emily As Well
10-27-2004, 04:47 PM
First of all, the liner notes contradict themselves as to where All My Friends and Exit Theory (which is, of course, a snippet of the former) were recorded.

Secondly, SM says that Heaven is a Truck was recorded at Waterworks (maybe a partial reason as to Spiral's distain for it's placement on the record??) which the recording info makes no mention of. In his aricle on 'Reckoning' SM says that their drunkard was drumming too much, and at the first recording session of Steve West (part-Murmur-Era Stipe, part-art-school drop-out, remember), as a bonding experience (or something) they recorded an REM cover & an REM tribute song. On the old Pave-Site, however, Nail Clinic, which comes from the same sessions according to the booklet, was credited to Gary. I imagine the website may have just been wrong, but the track notes could be as well... Gary's name placement in the scrap-book-style liners always, I thought, opened up the possibilty of his playing on the record. As did... his apparent claims that he did. SM also says the intro to Filmore Jive comes from Gary's House (knowing this, it does sound remarkably similar in sound to Haunt You Down & Jam Kids) but it's sequenced later in the disc, with the actual CR, CR Session outtakes, and credited that way as well.

I imagine a lot of this confusion has to do with SM's lack of participation in the set. I also wonder who came up with all the titles for the songs on the 2nd disc... seeing as SM doesn't seem to have been too involved. They feel bootleg-y to me. They feel Spiral-y to me. Notice how on the photograph of tape boxes undeneath the 2nd disc tray we see Sebadoh as the apparent title for All My Friends, which is how it has always been known on Stuff Up The Cracks, where it appears in live form. Not that this is correct, the box also says Loretta's Scars III for one track, but it's interesting. (Also note the word JICK on the top of the tape box on the right). I also wonder which instrumentals, if any, are Spiral compositions.

uh... overall nice set tho. Really.

mglitterati
10-27-2004, 04:55 PM
is that malkmus was involved in the making of the set. I remember hearing about some back and forth between him and matador about the track listing and names.

anyway, nice way to nitpick.

Jesper
10-27-2004, 07:19 PM
Emily... welcome to the mystique and aura that is Pavement!

you spotted some key things and there's more.... some different recording information is due to conflicting information from spiral and sm and a serious deadline that made us have to omit certain information (you should have been here! insanity!). If I had had more time, I would have written the recording credits as follows for disc 2:

track 1 recorded at louder than you think, mixed at baby monster.

tracks 9-12 recorded at random falls. mixed at baby monster.

tracks 2-8 recorded at louder than you think. mixed at orbit audio, seattle by joe reineke and spiral 5/20/04.

tracks 13-21 recorded at louder than you think. mixed at waterworks.

tracks 1-21 baked and transfered to pro-tools at ironwood studios, seattle 5/18/04. engineer kelly cambell.



we ran the credits for CR2 precisely as it originally was listed on the 94 release - yes, we're aware that not every second, not even every song on the orig album was recorded in one place, but that's why you get liner notes to clarify small details.

i would get a bit more specific if i had more time, maybe i will in a few days, but keep in mind Spiral AND Malkmus both were involved in the project.

JE

female beard
10-28-2004, 01:50 PM
On at least 2 of the 8 louder than you think tracks we hear Malkmus talking to or giving song directions to a Steve. I would assume this is Steve West. But West wouldn't have been playing at Gary's studio, right?

So what's going on w/ these tracks?

Susan Kirk
10-28-2004, 03:43 PM
Yeesh! Give that poster a chill pill, quick!

Thanks for the sweet set, you sexy Matador peeps.

Patrick
10-28-2004, 04:01 PM
Indeed! "Blatantly" incorrect? What the fuck?

A couple of minor inconsistencies and questions, that's it.

By the way, Stephen was intimately involved in the creation of this set - much more so than with 'Slanted' Luxe & Reduxe.

Patrick