"Everything Flows" - Greatest indy song ever?

[sonicyouthyumyu]

Here's my list:
Couldn't you wait acoustic tied with Never Met a Man I didn't like - Silkworm
Everything flows - Teenage Fan Club
Wrong - Archers
September Gurls - Big Star
Gardening at Night - R.E.M.
Can't Hardly Wait - Replacements
Freak Scene - Dinosaur Jr
Schizophrenia live - SY
Gold Soundz - Pave
Map of the City - Royal Trux

alright - I'm ready for the attacks...let 'em rip

[TheSadDebaser]

Those are all such awesome songs. Though I don't know Royal Trux, actually.

[tinobeat]

my only "attack" would be "what's the point?"

Big Star? that's not indie rock... its awesome rock for sure, but if that flies, then I'll say that "Try A Little Tenderness" is the greatest indie rock song of all time, and the book would be slammed shut.

[sonicyouthyumyu]

"what's the point?" If you don't like it - don't reply...

re. Big Star - why don't you read up on them. They were in fact, one of the first indy bands - like 1978 - and one of the most influential bands of everyone else listed in that list...ever hear the song Alex Chilton of the Replacements?????

[johansen smith]

Originally posted by sonicyouthyumyu
"what's the point?" If you don't like it - don't reply...

re. Big Star - why don't you read up on them. They were in fact, one of the first indy bands - like 1978 - and one of the most influential bands of everyone else listed in that list...ever hear the song Alex Chilton of the Replacements?????
you make Funk look friendly.

[sonicyouthyumyu]

haven't had my coffee....plus im a jerk

[tinobeat]

Originally posted by sonicyouthyumyu
"what's the point?" If you don't like it - don't reply...

re. Big Star - why don't you read up on them. They were in fact, one of the first indy bands - like 1978 - and one of the most influential bands of everyone else listed in that list...ever hear the song Alex Chilton of the Replacements?????

hey, don't mind me, I'm havin a crappy morning..

anyway, I'm still game here. The reason I said "Try A Little Tenderness" is because it was *also* released on Stax and is one of the greatest songs ever in the world. So if Stax stuff is "indie rock" then Otis beats Alex hands down... I know about Big Star. Yes, technically, being on Stax sort of makes one indie, but its not really "indie rock." And hell, Led Zeppelin are pretty influential too, if "influence" counts for anything.

Anyway, yeah, "Alex Chilton" is a tremendous song, and Alex Chilton is a great songwriter.

I'm just pickin fights...



EDIT AN HOUR LATER TO ADD: man.. was I grumpy or what? I just reread this shit. It barely reads like sentences..

anyway, I'm still right about whatever I was trying to be right about. I'm sure of it...

[TheSadDebaser]

Crime - Hotwire My Heart
Television - Little Johnny Jewel

[Patrick]

Hi, just need to jump in here with a couple factual corrections. There are I think good reasons for seeing a band like Big Star as a predecessor for a lot of interesting independently released music in the late '70s, '80s and early '90s, and Chilton himself as a solo artist was certainly on indie labels - but putting Big Star into this context this was very much a product of hindsight. Remember, Chilton had just come out of the Box Tops, who'd had a top 40 hit with "The Letter."

The band was actually founded in 1972 and though they did release their first record on an "indie" label, Ardent, there were no ideological or aesthetic connotations to being on an independent label at that time. (Don't forget that the greatest exploiters of artists in the '50s and '60s were indie labels - labels like Roulette, King and Chess!)

Either way, Big Star are obviously one of the all-time great American bands... I'm just putting them in their proper historical context.

Patrick

[hstencil]

Big Star way predates '78, but yeah, they were on Ardent, a division of Stax, and Stax was independent, so...

[tinobeat]

by '72, wasn't Stax a division of Atlantic?

[Miss Tasty Princess]

You can't have a list of greatest indie songs ever without "Billy Two" by The Clean.

[sonicyouthyumyu]

but regardless of any of this, Carolina is still the best college basketball team out there...

[9000]

pre-1968 stax masters are owned (were stolen) by atlantic.

also, otis was on volt, which was a subsidiary of stax, whatever that means.

[hstencil]

sorry dude, Illini are better.

[sonicyouthyumyu]

that's insane - outside of gbv, the best players (polvo) went to carolina - plus mccants is certifiably insane...illinois have anyone certifiably insane on their team? Didn't think so... insanity spells victory during tourneys

[TheSadDebaser]

I find it difficult to see any labels prior to Dangerhouse as real "indie" labels the way we use the phrase today. I mean, how can you seperate earlier labels from "major" labels in the 60s? Isn't it sort of the same thing as saying The Beatles and Rolling Stones were "lo-fi" in 1965? If you're going to broaden the defintions that much there's hardly any use for them in the first place.

[tinobeat]

that's sort of why I think these kinds of things, by their very nature, are a waste of time and ask "what's the point?" they inevitably lead to overstretching definitions and inane arguments about them.

[TheSadDebaser]

Yeah, exactly. They're also completely arbitrary.

[Funk]

Originally posted by 9000
pre-1968 stax masters are owned (were stolen) by atlantic.


Hey, Atlantic paid the $1 the contract stipulated they could buy the catalogue for!

(If Stax/Ardent is indie rock, "Hyperbolicsyllabicsesquedalymistic" is the best indie song EVAH!)