RMBB Mixtrade. The plotting and planning thread. [Archive]

winterversion

03-05-2005, 06:02 PM

Let's hope that people that sign up actually follow through. I don't mean to imply that you folks wouldn't actually follow through, it's just that in the last mixtrade I ended up with only 2 cds, and one of them pretty mediocre.

In any case, sign me up! Will this one work like the emotionlotion.com system (6 randomized people per group)? Should we send our contact info to Paul?

earl grey

03-05-2005, 06:15 PM

i would think/hope that everyone would follow through, especially with the relative lack of anonymity here compared to that other trade.

either way, i'm in.

Miss Tasty Princess

03-05-2005, 06:18 PM

I got three of the five but one is coming from overseas and he says he sent it . . .

I'd be willing to participate but I spent so much time on the last one that I'd rather just make dubs of it, if that's OK.

Elijah

03-05-2005, 09:31 PM

How indie do people expect the mixes to be? The stuff on my mixes that's performed by white males tends to be pretty straightforward. I'd like to do this, but from looking at the listening pile thread, I get the idea that a lot of the regulars here would be a bit dissapointed with one of my mixes.

For instance, would a lot of people here be dissapointed if they received the tracklist below? No big whoop if they would. I'd just rather not participate if that's the case.

1. some wierd sin- iggy pop 2. tighten up- archie bell and the drells 3. get up off our knees- the housemartins 4. talkin' bear mountain picnic massacre blues- bob dylan 5. nyc cops- the strokes 6. get off my cloud- the rolling stones 7. big time sensuality– bjork 8. supernatural- siouxsie and the banshees 9. the trouble i've been looking for- the magnetic fields 10. single girl- rita and sakura 11. tatooed love boys- the pretenders 12. never click– medicine 13. lovesick blues- hank williams 14. live at pj's- the beastie boys 15. superfreaky memories– luna 16. i think i'm in love (chemical brothers mix)– spiritualized 17. dreams burn down– ride 18. afraid- david bowie 19. tears of my tracks- billy bragg 20. better git it in your soul- charles mingus 21. it's such a good feeling- fred rogers

justin_S

03-05-2005, 10:12 PM

I would be interested as well, but I kind of have the same concerns as elijah.

Paul

03-05-2005, 10:52 PM

Originally posted by Elijah
For instance, would a lot of people here be dissapointed if they received the tracklist below? No big whoop if they would. I'd just rather not participate if that's the case.

1. some wierd sin- iggy pop 2. tighten up- archie bell and the drells 3. get up off our knees- the housemartins 4. talkin' bear mountain picnic massacre blues- bob dylan 5. nyc cops- the strokes 6. get off my cloud- the rolling stones 7. big time sensuality– bjork 8. supernatural- siouxsie and the banshees 9. the trouble i've been looking for- the magnetic fields 10. single girl- rita and sakura 11. tatooed love boys- the pretenders 12. never click– medicine 13. lovesick blues- hank williams 14. live at pj's- the beastie boys 15. superfreaky memories– luna 16. i think i'm in love (chemical brothers mix)– spiritualized 17. dreams burn down– ride 18. afraid- david bowie 19. tears of my tracks- billy bragg 20. better git it in your soul- charles mingus 21. it's such a good feeling- fred rogers d00d! That looks like a great mix, fwiw.

Elijah

03-05-2005, 11:20 PM

Originally posted by Paul
d00d! That looks like a great mix, fwiw. Well then. Count me in. I crossfade everything, by the way.

pabost

03-06-2005, 12:35 AM

winterversion

03-06-2005, 12:48 AM

Originally posted by Elijah
How indie do people expect the mixes to be? The stuff on my mixes that's performed by white males tends to be pretty straightforward. I'd like to do this, but from looking at the listening pile thread, I get the idea that a lot of the regulars here would be a bit dissapointed with one of my mixes.

For instance, would a lot of people here be dissapointed if they received the tracklist below? No big whoop if they would. I'd just rather not participate if that's the case.

1. some wierd sin- iggy pop 2. tighten up- archie bell and the drells 3. get up off our knees- the housemartins 4. talkin' bear mountain picnic massacre blues- bob dylan 5. nyc cops- the strokes 6. get off my cloud- the rolling stones 7. big time sensuality– bjork 8. supernatural- siouxsie and the banshees 9. the trouble i've been looking for- the magnetic fields 10. single girl- rita and sakura 11. tatooed love boys- the pretenders 12. never click– medicine 13. lovesick blues- hank williams 14. live at pj's- the beastie boys 15. superfreaky memories– luna 16. i think i'm in love (chemical brothers mix)– spiritualized 17. dreams burn down– ride 18. afraid- david bowie 19. tears of my tracks- billy bragg 20. better git it in your soul- charles mingus 21. it's such a good feeling- fred rogers

Hey man, I like this mix. Tighten up by archie bell and the drells is a great song by the way.

But seriously, I think we should get this started. I'd like to propose two things:

1: We send our email addresses and contact info to Paul.
2: Since the pool would probably be smaller, we limit groups to four people (randomly created by Paul), hence, we would send out and receive 3 mixes. I'm a bit short on funds anyways.

Any other suggestions?

Paul

03-06-2005, 01:28 AM

Sure, I'll collect all the infos and set up the groups. 4 to a group sounds very reasonable.

So, that said, sign-up cutoff will be Sunday, March 20th. Then you'll have until Friday, April 1st to make and mail your mixes.

Just send me a PM through the board with your name, email addres and full mailing address if you want to participate.

Thor

03-06-2005, 03:01 AM

Is this just an american mainland thing, or can I participate?

if so I could put in a lot of killer undergound australian bands that international ears are unlikely to have the opportunity to otherwise hear.

johansen smith

03-06-2005, 03:07 AM

my mix is just going to be a CDR of Didn't It Rain.

Paul

03-06-2005, 03:12 AM

Originally posted by Thor
Is this just an american mainland thing, or can I participate? It's open to anyone who signs up and sincerely plans to make and send out their cds.

Patrick

03-06-2005, 10:21 AM

20. better git it in your soul- charles mingus

Great song.

Patrick

the Pawnbroker

03-06-2005, 11:52 AM

Since I didn't participate in the mixtrade from the other website, I'm not sure exactly how this might work. If there are four people to a group, will you make one mix for the group, and send a copy to each of the other three in your group, receiving three different mixes in return?

Paul

03-06-2005, 12:46 PM

You got it.

bitterfruit

03-06-2005, 01:00 PM

I've already been working this shit in my head. Can't-fucking-wait.

P.S. I would be willing to help host the web pages somewhere unless someone else wants to. Whatevah.

Available domain:

fi-fi.com (not lo-fi, not hi-fi, but you got it, fi-fi)

Funk

03-06-2005, 01:30 PM

Originally posted by Paul
Let us begin...

Have you learned nothing from the FMBB tape circles? Well, this one might be successful if you keep Stirmonster away from it.*

Paul

03-06-2005, 02:00 PM

Originally posted by Funk
Have you learned nothing from the FMBB tape circles? Well, this one might be successful if you keep Stirmonster away from it.* This should work because a) there's only one mailout, not a continual process of receiving and mailing and b) anyone who stiffs people in his/her group will be given a hard time here.

But yeah, if/when Stirry applies, the risk department will have to review his application.

Paul

03-13-2005, 11:10 PM

Okay, we've got 12 people signed up as of now (including myself). Just a reminder that the cutoff is one week from today—March 20th.

bitterfruit

03-14-2005, 01:18 AM

Originally posted by Paul
Okay, we've got 12 people signed up as of now (including myself). Just a reminder that the cutoff is one week from today—March 20th.

Where was the actual signup?

Paul

03-14-2005, 01:38 AM

bf, check out this post from page 1 of the thread.

Originally posted by Paul
Sure, I'll collect all the infos and set up the groups. 4 to a group sounds very reasonable.

So, that said, sign-up cutoff will be Sunday, March 20th. Then you'll have until Friday, April 1st to make and mail your mixes.

Just send me a PM through the board with your name, email addres and full mailing address if you want to participate.

bitterfruit

03-18-2005, 09:48 PM

This is the last mix that I received. I started listening to it when I first got it, but realized that I needed to sit listen all the way through. It's good. Sequencing is fantastic.

vesper

03-19-2005, 03:38 PM

i never thought i would see jolie holland sharing space with parts and labor on a mix!

Paul

03-21-2005, 12:44 AM

Okay, so we ended up with 13 participants including me. One group will have to be bigger than the others (two 4-person groups, one 5-person group).

Look for your emails tomorrow sometime!

tinobeat

03-21-2005, 01:01 AM

tite!

the Pawnbroker

03-21-2005, 07:59 AM

Originally posted by Paul
Okay, so we ended up with 13 participants including me. One group will have to be bigger than the others (two 4-person groups, one 5-person group).

Look for your emails tomorrow sometime!

Wow, I really thought the turnout would be better.

Anyway, the theme of my mix is Ross Robinson produced artists!

tinobeat

03-21-2005, 09:45 AM

awesome! Limp Bizkit, The Cure, and The Blood Brothers, all on one mix!

bitterfruit

03-21-2005, 10:18 AM

Originally posted by tinobeat
awesome! Limp Bizkit, The Cure, and The Blood Brothers, all on one mix!

That's hilarious even though I can't stand "Crimes."

Paul

03-22-2005, 12:46 AM

Okay, the info emails are sent. If you signed up and you didn't get one, let me know with a private message. Here's the breakdown:

Group #1
Paul
Thor
vesper
bitterfruit

Group #2
justin_s
Mr. HCI
winterversion
Salman

Group #3
The Pawnbroker
moonwalrus
Elijah
earl grey
tinobeat

Thor

03-22-2005, 03:24 AM

I've just finished mine, but can't decide on an important middle spot... I'm tossing up between a teardrop explodes track and a talking heads track, and I'm stuck .

the Pawnbroker

03-22-2005, 07:46 AM

Does anyone know how to burn a CD without gaps (or with shorter gaps) between the tracks?

Can this be done on standard cd burning programs (Windows Media or Roxio)?

If not, can someone point me in the direction of free, easily downloadable software that will do it?

Thanks. I'm trying to butt-end "Up With People" and this bitchin' "Bright Eyes" track for Tino.

Miss Tasty Princess

03-22-2005, 08:05 AM

Originally posted by the Pawnbroker
Does anyone know how to burn a CD without gaps (or with shorter gaps) between the tracks?

Can this be done on standard cd burning programs (Windows Media or Roxio)?
Roxio has an option to "burn all at once" (or something like that). Check it when you're getting ready to burn, after you've created your project, and it will leave out the gaps (it will also go through all your discs and pre-record the tracks before beginning to burn to the destination disc). I discovered this feature quite by accident recently and I've been using the dang thing for two or three years (though not on a regular basis).

the Pawnbroker

03-22-2005, 08:53 AM

Originally posted by Mr.HCI
Roxio has an option to "burn all at once" (or something like that). Check it when you're getting ready to burn, after you've created your project, and it will leave out the gaps (it will also go through all your discs and pre-record the tracks before beginning to burn to the destination disc).

Thanks for the tip. I use WMP, but I have Roxio as well, so maybe I will give it a try. Does the "burn at once" option take out gaps between every track?

In other words, is it possible to remove the gap between one or two tracks, but leaving the gap between the other tracks.

vesper

03-22-2005, 09:07 AM

does anyone in group #1 have a problem with getting a tape?

Paul

03-22-2005, 10:04 AM

If I had a tape player, I'd love it. (But I don't)

Miss Tasty Princess

03-22-2005, 10:04 AM

Originally posted by the Pawnbroker
Thanks for the tip. I use WMP, but I have Roxio as well, so maybe I will give it a try. Does the "burn at once" option take out gaps between every track?

In other words, is it possible to remove the gap between one or two tracks, but leaving the gap between the other tracks. It's all or nothing, AFAIK.

Paul

03-22-2005, 10:06 AM

I think Pawnbroker's talking about crossfading songs. That's something that neither Roxio nor WMP will do automatically (Nero will, but it usually sounds like crap).

If you really want to have a disc where the songs crossfade, you're going to have to get a sound editing program and do that manually.

vesper

03-22-2005, 10:08 AM

Originally posted by Paul
If I had a tape player, I'd love it. (But I don't)

damn it! i'll have to make a very special paul-cd, cos i've already planned out most of the tape (which won't translate to cd).

tinobeat

03-22-2005, 10:14 AM

does anyone in group three have a problem with getting a box of wax cylinders?

Miss Tasty Princess

03-22-2005, 10:14 AM

Originally posted by Paul
I think Pawnbroker's talking about crossfading songs. That's something that neither Roxio nor WMP will do automatically (Nero will, but it usually sounds like crap).

If you really want to have a disc where the songs crossfade, you're going to have to get a sound editing program and do that manually. Roxio automatically inserts two seconds of silence between each track when making a mix CD unless you choose the "burn all at once" option. There's an option for cross fading but only with the expanded version and I'm cheap enough to use just what came free with my computer.

Elijah

03-22-2005, 10:17 AM

Originally posted by Paul
I think Pawnbroker's talking about crossfading songs. That's something that neither Roxio nor WMP will do automatically (Nero will, but it usually sounds like crap).

If you really want to have a disc where the songs crossfade, you're going to have to get a sound editing program and do that manually.
I use this (http://www.roxio.com/en/products/toastwithjam/include/t6_twj6_upgrade.jhtml), and I've been very happy with it.

the Pawnbroker

03-22-2005, 10:27 AM

Originally posted by tinobeat
does anyone in group three have a problem with getting a box of wax cylinders?

Actually, I was planning on visiting each member of group three personally to play acoustic covers of each of the songs intended for my mix.

By the way, I will use only the chords I know well (G, C, D), regardless of the key of the original.

Paul/Mr. HCI: Actually, Mr. HCI had it right: I was thinking more of a near "butt-end" or splice edit rather than crossfading (which would be cool, too). Looks like I will give Roxio a spin tonight.

Paul

03-22-2005, 10:30 AM

Originally posted by the Pawnbroker
Paul/Mr. HCI: Actually, Mr. HCI had it right: I was thinking more of near "butt-end" or splice edit rather than crossfading (which would be cool, too). Well, in that case, Mr. HCI was entirely right. Using the "burn at once" option in Roxio will solve that problem.

Thor

03-22-2005, 11:07 AM

Originally posted by vesper
does anyone in group #1 have a problem with getting a tape?

fine with me.

Salman

03-22-2005, 11:23 AM

I've pretty much finished my mix.
I hope the people in my group like gospol and popular singers from the 20s.
The CDs should be out by Monday.

Miss Tasty Princess

03-22-2005, 11:41 AM

Originally posted by Salman
I've pretty much finished my mix.
I hope the people in my group like gospol and popular singers from the 20s.
The CDs should be out by Monday. I'd have to say I'm more familiar with singers from the 30s. I absolutely adore The Boswell Sisters and songs from old movie musicals with Dick Powell and Ruby Keeler singing.

pabost

03-22-2005, 11:46 AM

Originally posted by pabost
I have similar concerns, as I don't think that I own music that would illuminate some part of the underground others on the BB haven't already discovered. That said, fuck it - this sounds like a lot of fun.

No love for pabost . . . Anyway I could be added? I'll trust this was an oversight. Otherwise, I'll have to remove myself to the Saddle Creek board where I can at least appear knowledgeable.

Paul

03-22-2005, 11:52 AM

Maybe on the next go round (if there is one). I couldn't count you in if you didn't send me a pm with all your infos.

pabost

03-22-2005, 12:36 PM

Originally posted by Paul
Maybe on the next go round (if there is one). I couldn't count you in if you didn't send me a pm with all your infos.

Ah, I missed that. Fuck. I really hope we do this again.

bitterfruit

03-23-2005, 12:01 AM

I'd like to let everyone know that I will be on the road for the next 10 days straight so my mixes will be a couple days late.

bitterfruit

03-28-2005, 12:33 AM

By the way, I was able to squeeze my mix time in before I left for NYC. They went out on Saturday. Shipment to Aussie will take a couple of weeks by airmail, no?

Paul

03-28-2005, 01:06 AM

Sweet! Since I only live one state away from you, I figure my copy will show up tomorrow.

winterversion

03-31-2005, 01:53 AM

Group 2 (salman, justin, hci), I just sent mine out today. Should be there soon. Let me know if there are any defects since my burner was acting bitchy for a little bit. Otherwise, hope you enjoy!

Patrick

03-31-2005, 02:22 AM

Man, I wish I could have participated in this. But it would have been inappropriate for a RMBB-initiated service. Actually, it would probably be inappropriate for anyone in my job. Maybe under a pseudonym on another board.

And y'all would have had to put up with freshly cut lacquers from my Scully lathe, tube-direct from the TT.

Patrick (who really wishes he had a Scully lathe)

Thor

03-31-2005, 05:55 AM

My mixes will be posted tomorrow morning, so should arrive in the states within a few weeks. I was going to post it express, but I'm a little light on funds.

Patrick, I've sent you a copy of mine for the hell of it anyway. :-)

the Pawnbroker

03-31-2005, 07:21 AM

Originally posted by Patrick
Man, I wish I could have participated in this. But it would have been inappropriate for a RMBB-initiated service. Actually, it would probably be inappropriate for anyone in my job. Maybe under a pseudonym on another board.

And y'all would have had to put up with freshly cut lacquers from my Scully lathe, tube-direct from the TT.

Patrick (who really wishes he had a Scully lathe)

I would hope the RMBB folks would waive any conflicts of interest to allow you to participate in the next trade.

vesper

03-31-2005, 11:41 AM

i want to let everyone in group #1 know that my mix is going to be a little late. i had some crazy shit happen with my job and my living situation over the course of the past 3 days, so i haven't had time to actually sit down and lay everything to tape. i do have my tracklist prepared, so it's simply a matter of doing the damn thing. at the risk of being 'that' asshole, my mix will be in the mail by monday (at the very latest)!

and bitterfruit's mix is great!

earl grey

03-31-2005, 11:53 AM

Originally posted by vesper
at the risk of being 'that' asshole, my mix will be in the mail by monday (at the very latest)!

i am definitely that asshole, but i've been crazy busy lately. (and out of town as well.) i plan to put in some quality time on the mix this wknd though, and it should be out soon after.

tinobeat

03-31-2005, 12:00 PM

I think we can all rest in the comfort of knowing that there's "those assholes" rather than "that asshole."

I'm one too. the mix will be in the mail Monday, fer sure. This week's been nuts.

I also have zero CDRs right now. gotta go buy some.

Elijah

03-31-2005, 12:25 PM

Just call me asshole #5 (or 6, or whatever).

Paul

03-31-2005, 12:53 PM

Okay good, that means a little of the pressure is off. I was going to have to throw something together very quickly tonight. Now I can take the weekend and perhaps make it a little better.

the Pawnbroker

03-31-2005, 05:24 PM

Originally posted by Paul
Okay good, that means a little of the pressure is off. I was going to have to throw something together very quickly tonight. Now I can take the weekend and perhaps make it a little better.

Amen, brother.

Actually, I did some work on mine last week, but need to tweek it.

I worry that tinobeat will already have every song on my mix.

Elijah

03-31-2005, 06:01 PM

Just an informal survey: which is more important? That a mix have a fair number of tracks you've never heard before, or that a mix rocks?

I tend to lean towards the "it has to rock" side. But that's just me.

Miss Tasty Princess

03-31-2005, 06:20 PM

I'd rather hear something new (at least to me).

the Pawnbroker

03-31-2005, 06:21 PM

Originally posted by Elijah
I tend to lean towards the "it has to country rock" side. But that's just me.

Fixed it. This might be more appropriate, given one of my potential plans.

justin_S

03-31-2005, 10:16 PM

Originally posted by Elijah
Just an informal survey: which is more important? That a mix have a fair number of tracks you've never heard before, or that a mix rocks?

I tend to lean towards the "it has to rock" side. But that's just me.

Then allow me to appologize upfront for my mix. I seriously doubt that I have anything you don't already know.

justin_S

03-31-2005, 10:18 PM

ummm....that was meant for HCI

Elijah

03-31-2005, 10:23 PM

Originally posted by Mr.HCI
I'd rather hear something new (at least to me). I've gotten the impression that this is near impossible. Am I wrong?

Salman

03-31-2005, 11:08 PM

Originally posted by Mr.HCI
I'd rather hear something new (at least to me).

I threw in some obscure curve balls... but you've probably heard the stuff already. Anyway, I hope you enjoy the flow!

Miss Tasty Princess

03-31-2005, 11:34 PM

Originally posted by Elijah
I've gotten the impression that this is near impossible. Am I wrong? Quite wrong! I have no idea who probably half the bands are that folks here rave about.

earl grey

04-01-2005, 12:56 AM

a mix just needs to rock, whatever's on it. mixes that are all random stuff can definitely be great, but they can also feel like homework. anything well-chosen and well-sequenced goes farthest.

Elijah

04-01-2005, 07:16 AM

Originally posted by Mr.HCI
Quite wrong! I have no idea who probably half the bands are that folks here rave about. Yeah, I figured. You just happen to mention a ton of stuff in the listening pile thread that I've never heard of. I'm impressed is all.

Miss Tasty Princess

04-01-2005, 09:51 AM

Originally posted by earl grey
. . . anything well-chosen and well-sequenced goes farthest. Most heartily agreed.

maroonwalrus

04-01-2005, 08:39 PM

...And it looks like I shall join the legion of those folk who will not be on time with their mixes. I should have them mailed out tomorrow, however. Watch out!

I hope y'all enjoy it -- I'm certainly not an obscurist, but I think the mix is a good one.

the Pawnbroker

04-04-2005, 07:56 AM

My mix will be mailed today.

Disregard the low-fi packaging.

Paul

04-04-2005, 10:09 AM

Dammit! I'm out of jewel cases! I knew things were coming along with the mix too easily.

For those of you due to get one, though, I promise it will be worth the extra day's wait.

vesper

04-04-2005, 10:53 AM

yes, due to some family issues, mine will be another two days late. to make up for the lost time, everyone gets two mixes. (that may be a bad thing if you don't like either one!)

earl grey

04-04-2005, 11:05 AM

erm, due to computer issues mine will be a couple more days late too. the contents are set though, i just need to re-rip some tracks and burn it all.

(my burner has really gone to shit in the last month or so, it's quite frustrating...)

Paul

04-04-2005, 11:16 AM

Originally posted by Paul
Dammit! I'm out of jewel cases! I knew things were coming along with the mix too easily.

For those of you due to get one, though, I promise it will be worth the extra day's wait. Actually, I'll be able to send mine out today after all. I just decided to re-commission some jewel cases that were holding cds I don't give a damn about.