When does Interpol sign with a major label and forget Matador?

[cherryblue]

Soon i bet. Matador must be shitting themselves and jumping through hoops trying to keep them.

[johansen smith]

well, it would open up the roster for Matador to finally sign Maloze.

[Thor]

As hard as I try, and having spent time with the man, I just can't imagine Chris Lombardi shitting himself about anything... I might be wrong...

PS = Happy 1500, johansen!

[Paul]

Originally posted by cherryblue
Soon i bet. Matador must be shitting themselves and jumping through hoops trying to keep them. I imagine that by the time their 3rd record is about to come out, Interpol will be shitting themselves to try and stay with Matador ('cos no one else is going to want them around).

[TheSadDebaser]

Probably once contractual obligations are up.

[9000]

Originally posted by Paul
('cos no one else is going to want them around).

and why's that?

[Paul]

Originally posted by 9000
and why's that? Well, if Antics was a copy of a copy (which it was), that means LP #3 will be a copy of a copy of a copy (unless they mix it up somehow). I just don't see their popularity and/or creativity being all that long-lived.

Sure, they may be one of the bands responsible for the whole gloomy post-punk revival, but they dropped the ball with their first album and haven't picked it up again.

[Salman]

The Strokes so far haven't suffered from any backlash, which so many people predicted, and they've been accused of making the same album twice.

[johansen smith]

yeah, but how often do you hear people talking about the Strokes?

[Salman]

Touche.

[TheSadDebaser]

You're out of your mind if you don't think a major's going to be all over that shit ASAP.

[Funk]

http://216.220.96.163/showthread.php?threadid=205

I still think that was a blown opportunity to get first pressings of Raymond Scott's Soothing Sounds LPs.

[Thor]

Originally posted by Paul
('cos no one else is going to want them around).

I don't think that's true at all and I can't think of any evidence to support that other than your personal opinion of the music which is hardly a consensus.

The bottom line is they are selling records steadily, selling out shows all over the world (including here in my home town), and they have a large fanbase in many places. None of this indicates that the music is good or non-derivative, but it sure as hell makes them look very attractive to many labels.

And in my opinion the music is good, in fact damn good.

[Paul]

Of course that was an assumption based on my own opinion! I know lots of people like Interpol (even I like a lot of the singles), but I just don't think they're one of the bands who will advance to the next round.

[Squall91]

I don't think a lot of bands right now will survive.

It's just the way it is right now. The quality of music is still going down overall (not like all music sucks right now, nah). The culture of downloading isn't helping our listening habits either.

[S M @]

Originally posted by Squall91
The culture of downloading isn't helping our listening habits either.

Explain, please? I don't agree that the overall music quality today is a problem, but that's just opinion. I am interested in the reasons for the statement above, though. And also why you feel a large number of bands that are making it today will have trouble doing so in the near/medium future.

[Paul]

Well, speaking for myself, my attention span has decreased noticeably and, in turn, my devotion to certain new acts disappears as soon as something I like more comes along.

I'm not sure if that's a big enough price to pay for regularly being able to hear stuff ahead of time, but I'm coping with it for now.

[earl grey]

Originally posted by Squall91

It's just the way it is right now. The quality of music is still going down overall (not like all music sucks right now, nah). The culture of downloading isn't helping our listening habits either.

putting aside the general quality of music, i feel like the culture of downloading might actually help bands survive, just with a greater premium on talent/originality. the latest alternacrap might fizzle sooner, but more random bands get noticed.

but, perhaps yr suggesting it makes listeners more fickle? in which case, yeah i may agree.

[mygrassisblue]

i just read something about the killers and franz ferdinand sales figures. scary shit, for the likes of good music.

either one of those bands has sold more than the entire catalogues of strokes and interpol combined, in only a few months to a year. i think. i dont remember the exact figures but it was kinda shocking how low interpol/white stripes/ strokes etc sales where and how through the roof the fuckin Killers were. i mean who actually buys that shit?

apparently, everyone.

[johansen smith]

the Killers appeals to teenage girls, the Strokes: decidely less so.

[Thor]

Originally posted by earl grey
putting aside the general quality of music, i feel like the culture of downloading might actually help bands survive, just with a greater premium on talent/originality. the latest alternacrap might fizzle sooner, but more random bands get noticed.

I think this may indeed prove true.

[Thor]

Originally posted by mygrassisblue
apparently, everyone.

I thought the Franz album was fun for a while. It has some decent tracks.

[johansen smith]

Originally posted by Thor
I thought the Franz album was fun for a while. It has some decent tracks.
I like Franz too. I didn't even know they had signed to a major for distribution in the US til I saw their video somewhere last year, because I bought my copy from Domino.

[tinobeat]

Originally posted by Squall91
The culture of downloading isn't helping our listening habits either.

I honestly think the downloading culture is giving people so much to listen to, which is so great, but giving people less reason to really delve into anything. I was talking to someone about record collections vs. mp3 collections, and he said this great thing (paraphrased):

"When you go to someone's house and flip through their record collection, you see something you've been meaning to hear and ask to put it on, or you see something you love, and you say, 'hey, lets listen to this, its so awesome!' and you hear it and enjoy it. You scroll through someone's iTunes, and if you see something you've been meaning to hear, you say 'hey, can I dump this onto my iPod?' and you may or may not listen to it in the next week or so. Its more like making a list of things you might like than owning and listening to music you love."

I can't even tell you how true I think this is...

[TheSadDebaser]

I don't feel like that makes any sense, and if it does, that seems to me like it must be a personal type of issue, not something that necessarilly rings true for most people.

If you like something, you get into it, and that's how you know you like it. If you don't get into it, then you clearly don't like it. You shouldn't be FORCING yourself to enjoy something.

[tinobeat]

I'm not sure if you're responding to my post, but in any case, it wasn't really so much about forced liking of anything.

Its more that because its so easy to get EVERYTHING, people get it all, and then don't spend time with almost anything, because there's so much in their collection. Its different too from someone who's accumulated 10,000 records over the course of their lives, as opposed to that many in a single year.

I just think there's less of a connection to the music due to it just being a thing on a list rather than something you can hold and look at and physically interact with...

[Elijah]

Downloading, and the practicality of dealing with an MP3 collection vs. the practicality of dealing with an LP/CD collection, has greatly increased my ability to delve deeply into certain artists and genres, because it makes the process of cataloging so much simpler. It also eliminates the need to purchase and re-purchase b-sides and compilation tracks, as you can simply purchase the one or two tracks and add them to the end of the album playlist.

If nothing else, it's facilitated my old-school R&B/Soul collection in a way that simply wasn't possible several years ago. So many of the best R&B/soul tracks that came out before 1975 were singles, and were released by artists who didn't release albums frequently, and/or who appeared on many different labels. The result of this is that in order to acquire much of this music, one has to buy an astounding number of compilations. Anyone who buys a few dozen of these compilations will quickly find that they own many of the same tracks in several different places. Plugging them all into a 2000 song playlist allows me to eliminate the duplicates, and access them all by composer, artist, or any other designation that I feel like plugging into the track's ID3 tag. This simply was not possible seven years ago.

As for Interpol, I can't imagine that Matador would be shitting themselves in the least. They'd more likely be working to ensure their success while on Matador, and if and when the time comes, after they leave. This way, money earned from current sales can be invested in other artists, and their back catalog can be properly exploited when appropriate.

[gee beer vee]

someone sayeth the strokes haven't suffered 'backlash,' but, really, who talks about their second album?
same as interpol.

"second verse, same as the first . . ."

someone tell me why . . .

[gee beer vee]

i agree with tinobeat, by the way.

[Elijah]

Originally posted by gee beer vee
someone sayeth the strokes haven't suffered 'backlash,' but, really, who talks about their second album?
same as interpol.I'm pretty sure the parties involved with creating and selling Room On Fire and Antics have spent quite a bit of time talking about them.

Traditionally, artists, entrepreneurs and businesspeople talk about success in terms of personal satisfaction and/or monetary gain. The number of people who are talking about their work when they're not in the room typically means very little to them, unless they are complete and total egomaniacs.

[tinobeat]

Originally posted by gee beer vee
someone sayeth the strokes haven't suffered 'backlash,' but, really, who talks about their second album?

I wish more people would talk about Room on Fire, as I think its a much better record, something I never would have imagined myself saying 2-3 years ago..

[Elijah]

I can talk about it a bit. I think it's a great record. It has a more cohesive flow than Is This It, the songs are more consistent, the instrumentation is more diverse, and unlike it's predecessor, none of the songs wear thin after repeated listens.

That's about all I can think of to say about it though.

[earl grey]

'room on fire' is an awesome album, it certainly sounds fresher now to me than 'is this it.' might be an issue of overexposure with the first one, but i liked 'ROF' a whole lot right from the get go.

[S M @]

I guess you all are basically saying that the massive amount of choice easily available can tend to make people 'channel flippers' sometimes, rather than promoting the kind of depth you get from good music after repeated listens.

Originally posted by tinobeat
"When you go to someone's house and flip through their record collection, you see something you've been meaning to
................Its more like making a list of things you might like than owning and listening to music you love."

I totally agree with this. Anything I just have a lossy digital copy of is about 100 ranks behind something I've bought, priority-wise. But that's mainly b/c I only d/l stuff to try it out and see if it grabs me. But that leads to.... I only keep stuff like that on my computer, which is not my main listening source at all, so it's almost like work to listen to it. Honestly, I probably only end up even listening to a little over 2/3 of what I d/l. It might be different if I had an MP3 player, but I don't really use one. Just a shuffle for exercise, which is great, but you don't want to be listening to something for the first time whilst at the gym or whatever. Anyway, obviously live/rare stuff I'd d/l by acts I have everything else by are different from what we've been talking about.

[Lukas]

I just remembered something.....

I once walked into L'oblique because I had called looking for pave vinyls and they had crcr which I thought was cool cause it was out of print. So i drive all the way to the opposite side of the island only to open the door for someone who ends up snatching it before I could get there, but thats not why I thought of this occasion. I started to talk to the girl at the desk, and I mentioned them being affiliated to Matador. However, once I even said the word 'Matador' she became really quiet and mumbled - we don't do buisness with them anymore. I started to ask why but she gave me a look so I backed off. I ended up getting starlite walker and the 7' of jo jo's jacket. You guys know what that was about?

[Lukas]

btw i didn't drive my dad brought me, and can someone please tell me the 'sm thumbs up' story

[Thor]

I looked and looked and finally found:

Posted by Tinobeat Xmas Eve 04

gather round, kiddies...

So 5 and a half years ago, your Grampa Tino went to see Pavement on the Terror Twilight Tour at the Roxy in Boston, and got there wicked early, being the total geek fanboy I was. I found a nice spot right up against the stage in front of where SM was gonna stand.

About two or three songs into Pavement's set, I yell out "Harness Yr Hopes!" and SM tosses me a glance. When he looked at me, I made the mistake of for some reason throwing him the ol' double-thumbs-up. SM then mushmouthedly says "what's this" and starts herky-jerkily making a double-thumbs-up motion, making fun of my ill-advised hand gesture. Everyone within a 5-10 person radius of me starts laughing at me. Then, later during the show during a particularly intense ending to one of the songs (I can't remember which), some of the frat boys behind me get a little rowdy and start jumping around, and knowck everyone in front of them down, including your's truly. I look up, and SM is looking down at me to see what happened. I pick myself up and shrug my shoulders at him like an idiot. Once again, SM says "what's this?" in a mocking tone and begins aping my shoulder-shrugging motion, to the delight of all the people who laughed at me before.

Later, a friend who was further back asked if I knew who the person SM was making fun of that night was, and I told him it was me. More derision...

Its a silly thing, and I laugh when I think about it now, but I was really embarassed and pissed to have been made fun of in front of 1500 people, and it took a while for me to actually want to listen to Pavement again.

I saw SM and the Jicks two years later at the debut show at the Bowery Ballroom, and made sure I was a few rows back so that god forbid he actually make eye contact and result in me doing something stupid.

alas...

Sorry to rub fresh salt in the wound, tino!

[Paul]

Thor's a HERO!

[johansen smith]

if that story was a movie, I'd rent it.

[the Pawnbroker]

That is hilarious. I give props to tino for having the guts to come clean and tell his story.

I made a drunk ass/fanboy of myself in front of Mark Ibold at an SM & Jicks show a few years ago, but it didn't become public knowledge (until now of course).

[Funk]

Originally posted by Lukas
However, once I even said the word 'Matador' she became really quiet and mumbled - we don't do buisness with them anymore. I started to ask why but she gave me a look so I backed off. I ended up getting starlite walker and the 7' of jo jo's jacket. You guys know what that was about?

How did a seven foot record fit on yr turntable?

If this story takes place 2-3 years back, let's just say the exclusive distributor Matador had at the time managed to bring a Canadian indie store boycott against Matador and leave it at that.

[george]

Originally posted by Paul
Well, speaking for myself, my attention span has decreased noticeably and, in turn, my devotion to certain new acts disappears as soon as something I like more comes along.

I'm not sure if that's a big enough price to pay for regularly being able to hear stuff ahead of time, but I'm coping with it for now.

i stopped downloading music this year for that reason. i only listen to stuff i buy at the store now, and i'm enjoying music way more than i have in the last 4 years.

[george]

haha. if it makes you feel any better martin, i was at that show, apparently pretty close to you, and i didn't notice any of that.

[tinobeat]

nice!

glad you dug that up, Thor...

I'm just glad I have a good story like that sittin around in my backlog. I was up on the balcony when I saw SM+Jicks last week, so no new stories...