I already have the "Summer Sun" album!! would you like to have it?!?

[casainho]

Hello!!

Yes.. It?s true!!
I got it with "soulseek" program. Go to www.slsk.org, donwload and install the program. Shearch for this album.. if you don?t find it, wait till I am online. My user name is "Casainho".
I got this album in soulseek :))

My first "contact" with ylt were with the album "And Then Nothing Turned Itself Inside-Out". I were able to see them live here i Portugal freely :))

Then I got the other albuns in soulseek :))

We are a few fans here in my little city ?gueda.

Thank you. Bye.
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[johansen smith]

isn't this like going to a bank and bragging you robbed their armored car?

[casainho]

Hello!

I didn?t understand your words.. I transleted it with astalavista.com and I can?t understand "bragging" and "armored".

Look, It?s not steal.. How do you think that someone got It?!? Sometimes, this can be a maneuver marketing!!

And what?!? I live in a poor country.. look, I pay about $35 for a CD!! and I can "make a CD in home" for $0.5!! for who is the other $34.5, about 98.5% of profit?!?
I bet that all that profit is not for the ylt!!

I thin that the good artist whould win $$ with music in live.. and not for a copy.. I think that who wins $$ with CD's is the guys that distribute..
Sorry.. but they will lose.. It?s all about that.. ylt just can win with fans.. if they are good in live performence.. because is not with a good audio qualitie that the music is a good thing..

okok.. chose by yourself..

Bye bye.

Jorge Pinto

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Os meus documentos\Casainho\mp3\yo la tengo - summer sun\Yo La Tengo-Summer Sun-06-Tiny Birds.mp3
#EXTINF:260,Yo La Tengo-Summer Sun-02-Little Eyes
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Os meus documentos\Casainho\mp3\yo la tengo - summer sun\Yo La Tengo-Summer Sun-01-Beach Party Tonight.mp3
#EXTINF:209,Yo La Tengo-Summer Sun-07-How to Make a Baby Elephant Float
Os meus documentos\Casainho\mp3\yo la tengo - summer sun\Yo La Tengo-Summer Sun-07-How to Make a Baby Elephant Float.mp3
#EXTINF:239,Yo La Tengo-Summer Sun-08-Georgia Vs. Yo La Tengo
Os meus documentos\Casainho\mp3\yo la tengo - summer sun\Yo La Tengo-Summer Sun-08-Georgia Vs. Yo La Tengo.mp3
#EXTINF:354,Yo La Tengo-Summer Sun-09-Don't Have to Be So Sad
Os meus documentos\Casainho\mp3\yo la tengo - summer sun\Yo La Tengo-Summer Sun-09-Don't Have to Be So Sad.mp3
#EXTINF:203,Yo La Tengo-Summer Sun-10-Winter-A-Go-Go
Os meus documentos\Casainho\mp3\yo la tengo - summer sun\Yo La Tengo-Summer Sun-10-Winter-A-Go-Go.mp3
#EXTINF:289,Yo La Tengo-Summer Sun-11-Moonrock Mambo
Os meus documentos\Casainho\mp3\yo la tengo - summer sun\Yo La Tengo-Summer Sun-11-Moonrock Mambo.mp3
#EXTINF:626,Yo La Tengo-Summer Sun-12-Let's Be Still
Os meus documentos\Casainho\mp3\yo la tengo - summer sun\Yo La Tengo-Summer Sun-12-Let's Be Still.mp3"
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[Patrick]

But casainho, what would you say if I told you that YLT disagrees with you? They would like to earn money from both the sale of CDs and from playing live.

By the way, you're posting on the "distributor's" site - Matador is Yo La Tengo's record label.

Patrick

[casainho]

Yes.. I know that this forum is from "distributor's" site..

Please, tell me why there is at least a profit of 90%?!? don?t you think that is to much?!?

I think that MP3 and p2p will bring some balance to market of music, art.. that don?t need markting and $$ involved in art!!

MP3 didn?t survived because of the BIG enterprises.. but because the wanted of most users.. after all, MP3 is functional!!

Look, I don?t have a lot of money.. but my friends, when realy like the albuns and the band, they buy the CD's after listen them.. sometines, when the music, art, is realy a good work, we buy the CD's..

Another good think, here in portugal, and in the world - yes, I watch MTV - there is a lot of markting..!! music, arts don?t need markting.. It?s realy good to have a friend or friends that came and give some sugestions of music.. listen music because a friend propose - because realy likes and don?t win nothing with that propose - It and not because there is someone that try to sell a think, because will earn $$$$$$..

Okok.. sorry for bother you..

Bye.
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[Sunsquashed]

Everyone -- this guy is almost certainly a troll, we just need to ignore him.

[Timothompson]

Either that or a dumbass, which still means we should ignore him.

[Patrick]

Ah, my friend. If the only cost of making recording an album was manufacturing the CD, then indeed the cost would be much cheaper.

However, you seem to have forgotten that recording an album can cost a lot of money. How about $60,000? What about marketing? Advertising that artists want us to buy (and which help people find out about records) can cost anywhere from $10,000 to $30,000. If you want to get a record reviewed, you need to send out review copies. Budget another $10,000 to manufacture them and (much more expensive) mail them. Co-op advertising is another huge expense - this is how records get sale-priced and positioned at the front of the store, in listening stations, advertised in the local paper as on sale at a store, etc. Anywhere from $5000 to $500,000, and I'm not kidding. If you want to promote a record to radio, you have to hire indie promoters. This can be cheap, contrary to reports, but it can be expensive. Minimum $5000 or so, maximum the sky.

So the price you pay for a CD is not just for the CD itself, but for recording the record, marketing the record, and paying the people's salaries and overhead for doing the marketing.

Profits are closer to 5% than 90% for most labels after overhead expenses.

Patrick

[Patrick]

And by the way casainho, our Portuguese licensee Zona gets the CDs from Beggars UK for about 7 or 8 dollars... it's hard to believe they're marking them all the way up to $35!

Patrick

[neil]

why dont you just buy the record form the bands website or matadors website for the regular price and wait for it in the mail, rather than spend 35$ for it?
then everybody wins, you save money and the band gets paid...

[casainho]

Hello!!

Patrick, I made a mistake, CD's cost here about 18 or 20 euros, wich is more or less the $20.

"What about marketing? Advertising that artists want us to buy (and which help people find out about records) can cost anywhere from $10,000 to $30,000." -> marketing is a bad thing, in my opinion.
Marketing don?t help people to find, listen the good music!! Markting just use the power of $$ to put in front of our eyes the products. Most part of business men just see the $$ side, the importante is to make $$.. an example, Britney Spears and girls like her.., she sell CD's because of the marketing - BODY - and not because of the good music.. I think.

There isn?t some pression from editors to artist to make an album that sells, make $$?!?

Okok..

After listen the new alb?m, I will not buy It. I would prefer to pay the price of It for a ticket to see them on live.

Ok.. thank you for your answer.

Bye bye.
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[casainho]

"Music isn't an art, it's an industry.
Internet media issues don't apply solely to source code or information format. Controlling the music itself is a burning issue for the music industry.
--and industry is the key word here. Music is no longer an expression of the soul or the work of an artist; it's a 'product' that is manufactured, packaged, catalogued, distributed, managed, regulated, and above all sold. Music is just another vehicle for maximizing profits. The RIAA, mainly a front for the recording industry that supports the status quo, trumpets loudly that the Internet is the greatest threat to artists that the world has ever known... at the same time that the RIAA is making a desperate grab to control this new distribution infrastructure. The great irony is that the Internet might indeed be an artist's worst nightmare-- if the RIAA succeeds:


...corporate mergers are squeezing hundreds of musicians out of the business without even giving them the rights to their recordings, and executives of major record labels are meeting behind closed doors to develop a way to police and control the distribution of music on the Internet.
[...]
Putting control of the Internet in the hands of the corporations means that a utopian musical vision may be dying. ...the chances of a dystopian world are increasing, one in which record companies have even greater control over music distribution
--the New York Times, Monday, May 17, 1999, article by Neil Strauss

One major push in the RIAA effort to control the music distribution infrastructure of the Internet is to legislate mandatory 'digital watermarks' for playback. Players that do not look for these 'watermarks' or play the music anyway will be illegal. Make an educated guess as to who will control the watermarks.


the record industry has a plan to force hardware and software companies to exclusively adopt its Secure Digital Music Initiative as the standard for delivering music online. ...SDMI backers want manufacturers to build a time-bomb trigger into their products that, when activated at a later date, would prevent users from downloading or playing non-SDMI-compliant music. The hardware would initially support MP3 and other compressed file formats, but a signal from the RIAA would activate the blocking trigger.
--Wired News article by Christopher Jones"

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[Miss Tasty Princess]

Gosh, he's right. Bands and small labels that spend a lot of money recording and promoting an album should be happy that "fans" are more than willing to steal the recordings and freely distribute them for the band. Yes, that is very fair and reasonable.

[Squall91]

This is a trainwreck of a thread. I don't know whether to cry or to pinch myself cos this is one damn hilarious dream.

[johansen smith]

I'm just impressed that this guy has gone from not knowing any English to quoting American Print Sources.

[yojimbo]

I've had some kind of brain failure whilst reading that thread. And not just because of the use of "$$" instead of "money".


"What about marketing? Advertising that artists want us to buy (and which help people find out about records) can cost anywhere from $10,000 to $30,000." -> marketing is a bad thing, in my opinion. Marketing don´t help people to find, listen the good music!! Markting just use the power of $$ to put in front of our eyes the products.

What? If this really was true, then bands like Yo La Tengo (or their record label) wouldn't have to even put a single poster up, and we'd all know to go buy their music through some Indie-Rock-ESP ability. Very few potential new fans are going to discover bands like this if the records are released with absolutely no press coverage or marketing whatsoever. You have a very unrealistic world view, sweetheart. My view, on the other hand, is that I'd love Matador to be able to spend millions on marketing bands like YLT; saturate the Smash Hits magazines of the world with full page adverts, a CGI-laden video on constant MTV rotation, get those kiddies grooving to those phat McNew basslines. Gotta spend $$ to make $$. I'm sure the Tengo would appreciate it to spend on their debilitating coke habits and golf carts to speed around their country estates.

I've used Soulseek a fair bit, I admit. Like a lot of people I'd love to spend a couple hundred quid a month on CDs but I can't. I download little bits and pieces that aren't a priority to me, but I'd never consciously rip something off that I would have bought anyway. Downloaded the new Blur album. Convinced me it would have been an extremely bad idea to pay for it. Couldn't afford nor be bothered to order the Shaggs album. Plus putting the word "Shaggs" into Kazaa is quite entertaining. You crazy Dutch people, you!

But by downloading something like Summer Sun you're not dealing a hammer blow to The Man. It's not like you're ripping off Sony or EMI, you're fucking over a label that has a million and one brilliant acts that they have to pay and want to put out, and need the money to do so. It's labels like Matador that have the guts to gamble money (and, yes, $$ is definitely involved)
on bands like YLT. I doubt very much someone like Sony would have signed them, and if they did they would probably have forced Ira to wear leather chaps and a vintage-retro t-shirt (cue Sideshow Bob shudder). New Rock Revolution!!!

If you're going to start spouting complaints about the way the music industry is run, check http://futureofmusic.org/ . They have a pretty sensible agenda about how to sort it out, which I'm sure will unfortunately fail. But nowhere do they recommend ripping off the good bands or the good labels. They still need the $$ to buy their food and Guinness.

[Squall91]

Smartly done, yojimbo. I applaud you.

[Ben]

Casainho, as Yojimbo explains above, there's nothing really evil about marketing itself, more like how you market it. I think it's great that you've found out about Yo La Tengo, especially if your resources are limited in finding out about good music, but please realize that the difference between Matador putting out Yo La and Jive putting out Britney Spears not only includes the relatively paltry amount of money involved. There's also the purpose of the marketing. When a high profile record like Spears, or Madonna, or Eminem is released, the marketing is around reinvention - how are we going to make it seem like this record is unique from the other releases by this musician? That's usually done through artificial means, like clothing, relationships (i.e. Tom Cruise and Penelope Cruz's relationship suddenly being big news right around the release of Vanilla Sky), quotable "outrageous" statements (I think we're all "in agreeance" with that). When we're putting out a Yo La record, we have two goals in mind: 1) How do we make fans of the band simply aware the new record is available; 2) How do we make potential fans aware that there's a band out there they may well enjoy, provided they get the chance to hear them? I wouldn't consider these two goals in any way manipulative nor against musical freedom. In fact, in the case of someone like Yo La Tengo, who you don't find getting played on MTV every ten minutes or on most commerical radio stations, it comes down to survival. Nobody here is laughing at the stupidity of the public and buying a mansion in Maui off the proceeds from Yo La sales. It's the difference between selling an image and selling a musical album. Britney can incorporate - start a restaurant (until it fails), sign a mulit-million contract with a roller skating company (until the company opts out of it) - while Yo La Tengo put all of their energy (and, I can promise you, it's a hell of a lot of work) into creating amazing music. Hence, if you're interested in a band because of the music they make, not their image, then it's only proper to purchase their records to support their continued success.

[casainho]

Thank you for all of your answers..

It were very nice to listen from you..
I will go to think, to meditar in your opinions.

See you, I hope in some show of YLT..

Bye bye.

J.P. casainho
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[Throwmymuse]

While I agree that it sucks for YLT when people get their songs of off P2P service I still don't think its that big of a deal. I've used these programs for years and discovered sooo much good music that I would have otherwise been oblivious to because I couldn't have afforded to go out and buy even a tenth of the CD's. At the same time, the little money I do have goes to those bands that I really anticipate releases from. Which of course includes Yo La Tengo and thats why everyone is jumping on this guy...because we're all fans of YLT and we want to see them rewarded for all they do. But what if this guy never got the chance to hear a YLT song because he couldn't go spend money on their CD? When you think about it YLT's true fans will go out and buy their stuff when it comes out...but nothing is going to stop someone who doesn't have the money or doesn't feel like spending the money from DLing it from the internet. If this was about some other indie band that no one here cared about I doubt that anybody would have jumped down this guy's throat because I bet a lot of people on here DL stuff from artists that they don't like as much as YLT or thier other favorite bands. So whats the difference? Without peer to peer he still wouldn't buy their cd and with peer to peer a majority of us still will.

[Miss Tasty Princess]

The difference is he's bragging about downloading it without paying for it and posting where he has the files located so others can download it from him.

[yojimbo]

"I already have 'Summer Sun" album!! Would you like to have it??"

He knew what he had, he knew what to do with it, he knew the band, he went out, he looked for it, he got it, he came here, he offered it. That's a smoking gun and no mistake. Call back the troops, the war's over! Oh, um, too late...

[casainho]

Hello!!

I realy agree with "Throwmymuse". Is like he that I think.

I don?t obligate no one to download the album.. It?s up with everyone to do that or not!!
After all, If a fa do the download of album, he can buy It after, It?s a choice, If we realy like the music, band.. but If we don?t like, probalby we will not buy It!! Nor spend $$ to see them live!!

Okok..

Thank you.

J.P. Casainho
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[Throwmymuse]

Once again this all comes down to the fact that we're all YLT fans...I don't really see how his revealing anything impacts the situation at all. Obviously Summer Sun is on any P2P service because nearly everything is. Did he really have to come on here and tell anybody for us to already know we could go online and get it for free? And obviously he already knew the band...I don't know how anyone searches by pulling random letters out of the air and hoping a cool band will pop up. His mistake is that he came to this board and offered it, but only because a lot of people on here admire YLT musical integrity and want to reward them by purchasing the album. Personally, I've DL some of the songs because I can't buy the album and want to hear what it sounds like...but this doesn't mean I'm not going to buy the album. Ultimately, I'd like to see everyone on here remove their P2P programs so their argument would have at least one leg to stand on. BTW, I'll be at the YLT show tonite in Columbus and yes I'm paying for the ticket...and maybe even a t-shirt!

[casainho]

Hi!!

What a luck!!? I can?t see YLT here in Portugal :((
But I can remember the only show that I seen here.. they and Jon Spencer Blues Explosion!!
Enjoy!!

Well, here in Portugal I am arround of some good music.. folk music.

Okok.. nice to know and listen opinions of YLT fans..

Bye.
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