I'm Not Ashamed To Say I Am Very Impressed With...

[joy of division]

the U.S. troops. They are well on their way to liberating Iraq from that evil tyrRant. Finally, they will be free just like us. It really goes to show just how great democracy is. It always prevails. It truly a beautiful thing. But what really impresses me is the fact that we have been bombing the hell out of Iraq without harming the civilians. Technology is simply amazing isn't it? Think about how much research has gone into making those precision bombs. I think we are the only country out there with this technology. No other country would care to be as considerate as we are. Those missiles and bombs were made to save innocent people's lives. Any other country would just launch missiles witthout thinking twice about who it will kill. But not our forces. It really makes me proud to be an American. I watch the news all day and never can they say we are killing innocent people. Sure ther were a couple here and there. A classic case of wrong place at the wrong time. It's the price that has to be paid for freedom. I'm sure their families are proud. When we finally free the Iraquis I'm sure we will hear how much they appreciate our courage and altruism. That is going to be a beautiful day. I can't wait.

[romanp]

I share your enthusiasm on many of the aforementioned points. Although--comments like, "we have been bombing the hell out of Iraq without harming the civilians," are entirely erroneous until the Red Cross has a fair chance to assess the civilian death situation.

[Paul]

I'd assumed this was actually meant to fall into the "Music industry vs. the war" thread, but you'd hit the wrong button.

Then I realized that such a post must originally have been written on day two of the war.

"But what really impresses me is the fact that we have been bombing the hell out of Iraq without harming the civilians." -- This has since been proven false.

"I watch the news all day and never can they say we are killing innocent people. Sure ther were a couple here and there. A classic case of wrong place at the wrong time. It's the price that has to be paid for freedom." -- You must not have been watching the same news I've been watching. Many more than "a couple" civilians have already died, and we haven't even accomplished half of the war's goals yet. And when the Iraqi people haven't specifically asked for freedom to be brought about in this manner, the price they're paying feels more like pickpocketing.

[joy of division]

We as Americans, started this war, not for destruction or to make life harder for the Iraqis. We started the war to bring peace and harmony,freedom and a better life to the Iraqis in the form of our great and fair system we call democracy. Compare the links below and you will not be able to dis agree with me.

ANTI-AMERICAN PROPAGANDA (BAD) (http://home.attbi.com/~moofeet/funwithshapes.mp3)

REALITY/TRUTH (GOOD) (http://www.themormonsband.com)

[chabysinisterra]

Sure ther were a couple here and there. A classic case of wrong place at the wrong time. It's the price that has to be paid for freedom.

i'm glad you're so able to trivialize a "couple" of lives with a few cliches. makes me proud to be an american...

[tinobeat]

We as Americans, started this war, not for destruction or to make life harder for the Iraqis. We started the war to bring peace and harmony,freedom and a better life to the Iraqis in the form of our great and fair system we call democracy.

um.. nope. that's not why we started this war. I'm shocked at how many people buy the propaganda that this has anything to do with the people of Iraq. If Saddam had disarmed when the inspections started, then there would be no war, in theory, and the people of Iraq would have been up a creek. So no, this war is not about Iraqi Freedom, its about the assertion of American power in the middle east and the world, potentially the first of many pre-emptive wars against countries we perceive as a possible future threat.

the potential freedom of the Iraqi people, depending on how badly we fuck up the reconstruction of Iraq (like we did in Afghanistan, where the Taliban is setting up shop again), is at best a nice side effect of the main reasons we went to war.

[joy of division]

Oh man, I am not being serious at all. I was making a comment by using irony and sarcasm. Like Andy Kaufman, not that it was anywhere or anything as brilliant as his work, I wanted to stay in character and getting people fired up. The other day CNN said something about a poll that indicated 80% of Americans are for the war. I couldn't believe it. I don't know anyone who is for the war. Anyone I have ever talked to about this was against it as well. Obviously, it is blatant propaganda or they must have polled some truly ignorrant bastards down in Capitol Hill. So then I started thinking about what kind of people would be for the war. That is what inspired me to post those messages. I also wanted to see if there were people who would agree. Obviously you are all very passionate in your opposition to the war which is very comforting to an extent. I'm going to find a conservative board to see how people react to my prior post.

Anyway, while I was thinking about all this I started thinking about my friends' band. Their thing is about self-sacrifice, obsession, rejection, blind faith, etc. and how a missionary lifestyle has many similarities to being in a band and/or an artist. As I kept thinking about it I realized it could apply for a soldier or an over the top patriot. Their band is called The Mormons. That is why I put the links on, hoping someone would click them and see what I am talking about.

If any of you live in L.A. you should come out to the 3 of Clubs tonight. they are playing for free. They are amazing live. They just got signed to some indie label and are going into the studio to record with Wally Gagel who has worked with Karate, The Eels, Sebadoh and Folk Implosion. You should check them out on my prior links or at www.themormonsband.com. Their whole concept makes a lot more sense during these times that, at least for me, are very confusing and depressing.

[TheSadDebaser]

Some of the people on this board are really dim.

[tinobeat]

well, now..

I've talked to waaaaaay too many people who do feel exactly the way you were Andy Kaufmanning it up (I fully believe that 80% of Americans are behind the war, we're all sheep), and the sad thing is, even you writing in complete uberpatriotic hyperbole didn't really give anything away because people are actually talking like that.

So call me dim, if you like, but I guess the sad thing is that I've been so baffled by the way people are regurgitating nationalistic garbage that I'll believe anything now.

sorry I didn't get your joke

[bitterfruit]

Where do you think those American flags all of a sudden came from that the Iraqi people were waving on CNN?

The propaganda machine is at work.

[Patrick]

What, exactly, does this topic have to do with Matador Records or even music in general?

I'm closing this thread - if you want to continue, then take it to email.

Patrick