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Ha! Who knew it was that easy?
Lukas
09-13-2006, 11:11 PM
what is happenng in montreal at the moment. WTF! Good timing Patrick
Fiona
10-03-2006, 05:36 PM
I read in yesterday's Guardian that Beano's in Croydon is to close down in the near future. What a shame.
Patrick
10-04-2006, 03:13 PM
I read in yesterday's Guardian that Beano's in Croydon is to close down in the near future. What a shame.
I know. This is SO SAD. One of the world's greatest record stores.
Patrick
vesper
10-08-2006, 08:16 PM
saturday's dachshund convention in washington square park was equal parts WTF and cute.
Elijah
10-08-2006, 11:27 PM
http://www.hostropolis.com/april/911.jpg
Freedom Fries, Motherfucker.
vesper
10-09-2006, 12:06 AM
http://www.hostropolis.com/april/911.jpg
Freedom Fries, Motherfucker.
oh fuck, that's right by where i went to college!
Patrick
10-09-2006, 11:48 AM
More record store deaths.... I'm sure most of you have heard that the Tower chain is in bankruptcy and is being liquidated. Out of business sales at all stores started Saturday. I went to the flagship 4th and Broadway store, a place I have spent huge chunks of my life (particularly during my hardcore classical CD phase in the early '90s)... stuff is only 10% off now, so it's not very cheap yet, but presumably it will come down further and drastically.
It felt like visiting a morgue, a somewhat crowded one...
Patrick
vesper
10-09-2006, 11:56 AM
i must have gotten there before you, patrick, because tower still seemed well-stocked and normal when i swung by saturday.
-edit-
i also have zero attachment to tower, so that might have helped my outlook.
Fiona
10-09-2006, 01:05 PM
Chris de Burgh discovers he has more than one mind-numbing talent:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6033139.stm
More record store deaths.... I'm sure most of you have heard that the Tower chain is in bankruptcy and is being liquidated. Out of business sales at all stores started Saturday. I went to the flagship 4th and Broadway store, a place I have spent huge chunks of my life (particularly during my hardcore classical CD phase in the early '90s)... stuff is only 10% off now, so it's not very cheap yet, but presumably it will come down further and drastically.
It felt like visiting a morgue, a somewhat crowded one...
Patrick
cbgb gets the same treatment next week. i heart ny.
pizzagratis
10-09-2006, 04:28 PM
cbgb gets the same treatment next week. i heart ny.
sorry. i'm in total agreement with tom scharpling. it's been a t-shirt store for how long? good riddance.
sorry. i'm in total agreement with tom scharpling. it's been a t-shirt store for how long? good riddance.
it's about paco, man. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yO4zfNga1_E)
Moon Pix
10-15-2006, 12:15 PM
I know its old news but Ive been doing some reading into the Jello Biafra and Alternative Tentacles vs Ray, Klaus and Peligro court case and I have to say WTF. $200,000 in damages and thats after he payed them the $79,000 or so dollars he owed them.
I call it greed.:(
Miss Tasty Princess
10-15-2006, 01:04 PM
More record store deaths.... I'm sure most of you have heard that the Tower chain is in bankruptcy and is being liquidated. Out of business sales at all stores started Saturday. I went to the flagship 4th and Broadway store, a place I have spent huge chunks of my life (particularly during my hardcore classical CD phase in the early '90s)... stuff is only 10% off now, so it's not very cheap yet, but presumably it will come down further and drastically.
It felt like visiting a morgue, a somewhat crowded one...I snagged some used stuff (four more Funkadelic remasters, Grateful Dead Dick's Picks 16, coupla Pig Destroyer discs) from the clearance sale at the local Tower a few days ago. I've always hated their prices but I'll still miss Tower for their clearance sections. I'm sure their closing will have an impact on the music business but I have no idea how much so. Speaking of their prices, though, I can understand why they were in trouble, since the big box retailers (Wal*Mart, Target & BestBuy), most of the smaller chains and the mom'n'pops generally sell music at at a discount while Tower charged full price.
Juan Maclean Beats Down Drunken Reveler in Atlanta
But everything's cool now
Seriously, WTF? Jeff Tweedy's decking rowdy fans, Houston cops are Tasering innocent 14-year-old kids, and now this? National Rock Club Violence Week continues with this latest report of live gig fisticuffs: according to numerous posts on the DFA message board and confirmed by a representative from the label, DJ Juan Maclean leapt down from the stage at last Friday's DFA gig (October 13) at the Earl in Atlanta to lay the proverbial smack down on a drunk-ass fan who messed with his gear.
We'll let the Juan tell it in his words, as posted Saturday (October 14) on the DFA board: "What really happened is this: I was in the middle of mixing two records, and this drunken yahoo walks up to the stage, picks up a microphone stand, and starts beating the table that the decks were on with it, which of course sends the mix into total trainwreck. I yelled at him and he laughed at me.
"From there, I don't know what to say except that he fucked with the wrong person. I walked up to him and short story is I, as was said, 'beat him down.' It totally bummed everyone out. HE got thrown out, I went back and finished, but all the girls had left, the vibe was horrible."
According to fan reports, DFA's Tim Sweeney emerged to resolve the trainwreck on the decks.
And while vibes went sour in Atlanta that night, after some civil message board discussion (crazy, I know), things seem to be gravy between Maclean and the dude he jacked. A post from a friend of that dude prompted Maclean to apologize for his actions:
"Of course it was unprofessional...I spent the next day telling friends and my mother how badly I felt about it, how horrible I felt that I did that to someone who actually came to see us play. Horrible.
"I have nothing against that guy, obviously, since I don't know him-- when that whole thing happened, it wasn't just that time that I was reacting to, it was every other time someone had reached over and moved knobs, intentionally skipped records, etc.
"But again, I'm sorry, I fully admit that I was in the wrong and overreacted."
This in turn led someone identifying himself as the drunken reveler to share his own apology:
"I'm the nuisance, I'm the one who catalyzed the whole mess, I'm the drunk guy, I'm the one who was punched in the face...I don't remember much of that night.
"I still felt I should post to let everyone know that I too am sorry. I was having a bit too much fun that night, and didn't stop to think (was I thinking at all??) that I might be annoying others who payed to hear Tim and Juan spin. So I'm sorry to the audience if I disrupted an otherwise enjoyable Friday night.
"I want everyone to know I still had a really amazing night with my friends and didn't go home afterwards upset about it, when I woke up the next morning and my buds told me 'Juan Maclean punched you in the face,' I couldn't believe it. That's not to say I was happy to hear about it...But, yeah, Juan's actions are semi-understandable as I can be quite the ass when I'm drunk.
"Juan- I never meant to laugh at you after knocking the mic. I was enjoying the set pretty much before the fight and only accidentally knocked that mic over. I never meant to sabotage your playing, you should know that I would never do anything like that. From what I've read, I think we've both felt pretty bad about the whole thing since Friday...it's good to know that you're not the type of person that would be proud of beating down someone at your show.
"In short, everything's cool on this side."
Even James Murphy chimed in: "Juan and I talk about this kind of shit a lot. It's very strange when you DJ because you're trapped, and people can just anonymously come up and fuck with you-- and it's frustrating. Obviously this is a bad situation that luckily came out alright, with both Juan and the punchee being cool about it, but it isn't always that way."
Concluded Juan: "I'll play for free next time I'm in Atlanta, how's that? No joke."
johansen smith
10-20-2006, 02:12 AM
this really is my favorite trend of 2006: http://data.dump.iof.ru/data/2006_10_20_korzik_net_uploads_posts_1161187300_116 1149130_1.jpg
Lukas
10-20-2006, 05:49 PM
I can see snow falling outside of my window. Beat that.
Patrick
10-20-2006, 09:29 PM
I can see snow falling outside of my window. Beat that.
Man, I love snow. At any time of year. And due to climate change we barely get any in NYC now. Maybe I should move to Montreal.
Patrick
From the King Khan & BBQ via myspace
Hello children of the revolution....
we got a phone call a few hours ago from the tour manager of the cobras... he said that they are sick of us and dont want us to continue the tour.... the reason? we missed one show in birmingham cuz our tire popped and it took too long to get it fixed for the show. and then we cancelled one show in florida tonight because our vocal chords are blown out and we needed a day of rest... were the cobras reprimanded for cancelling all sorts of canadian dates and fucking US over? no... these money-grubbing fuckers just dont want the east coast to see us... it's not our fault that we blew away these back-stabbers every night.... what a waste. we have decided to keep the battle going and will book our own shows up the east coast cuz i have to go home to my kids with some dough that was stolen out of my hands by adult babies with broken egos... so all in all please boycott these criminals (who asked us to come on this fuckin tour) and stay tuned in the next few days for an update of our NEW shows....fuck rock star fuckbags.... DEATH CULT UNITE..... beware the soulless vermin....
lots of love and fun
king bamalama khan
From the King Khan & BBQ via myspace
Hello children of the revolution....
we got a phone call a few hours ago from the tour manager of the cobras... he said that they are sick of us and dont want us to continue the tour.... the reason? we missed one show in birmingham cuz our tire popped and it took too long to get it fixed for the show. and then we cancelled one show in florida tonight because our vocal chords are blown out and we needed a day of rest... were the cobras reprimanded for cancelling all sorts of canadian dates and fucking US over? no... these money-grubbing fuckers just dont want the east coast to see us... it's not our fault that we blew away these back-stabbers every night.... what a waste. we have decided to keep the battle going and will book our own shows up the east coast cuz i have to go home to my kids with some dough that was stolen out of my hands by adult babies with broken egos... so all in all please boycott these criminals (who asked us to come on this fuckin tour) and stay tuned in the next few days for an update of our NEW shows....fuck rock star fuckbags.... DEATH CULT UNITE..... beware the soulless vermin....
lots of love and fun
king bamalama khan
shit, so much for next week's show at southpaw. fuck it, i just planned on staying for kk & bbq and would rather see them headline anyway.
winterversion
11-07-2006, 11:28 PM
Bummer! I noticed they were cancelled from the show here in DC and wondered why. I would have gone only to see them anyways. What a shame.
shit, so much for next week's show at southpaw. fuck it, i just planned on staying for kk & bbq and would rather see them headline anyway.
Well they are trying to set up their own shows on the East Coast now so when I find out any details I will post them here.
Dave
Miss Tasty Princess
11-08-2006, 11:41 AM
I almost went to their Atlanta show due to all the raves here over the past year or so (I've never heard them) but I was really tired and stayed home. Oh, well.
There might be another one tomorrow (Thurs.) or something.
Dave
King Khan & BBQ show have at least this NYC area show set up:
Wed. the 15th @ Don Pedro 90 Manhattan Ave in Williamsburg (not sure what it is between but prob. near Johnson and/Boerum) Tickets at the Crypt store Cool and Crazy (72 Manhattan Ave.) 718 388 1180
King Khan & BBQ show have at least this NYC area show set up:
Wed. the 15th @ Don Pedro 90 Manhattan Ave in Williamsburg (not sure what it is between but prob. near Johnson and/Boerum) Tickets at the Crypt store Cool and Crazy (72 Manhattan Ave.) 718 388 1180
"take L-Train... we play two sets one at 10:00 one at 1AM bone thugs and harmony will also be playing"
johansen smith
11-15-2006, 12:00 AM
unbelievable http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=entertainmentNews&storyid=2006-11-15T040626Z_01_N14435424_RTRUKOC_0_US-SIMPSON.xml&src=rss&rpc=22
Moon Pix
11-15-2006, 04:29 AM
http://today.reuters.com/news/articleinvesting.aspx?view=CN&storyID=2006-11-15T082934Z_01_L15577446_RTRIDST_0_FINANCIAL-HSBC-CHARGES.XML&rpc=66&type=qcna
Honestly all I can say is WTF?:eek:
Does this mean he thinks that it was an amatuerish job? Howard Stern is psyched.
Moon Pix
11-16-2006, 02:16 PM
The upcoming Beatles album Love.
The bottom will fall out of the proverbial barrell if they scrape the fucker any harder.
Miss Tasty Princess
11-16-2006, 04:01 PM
unbelievable http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=entertainmentNews&storyid=2006-11-15T040626Z_01_N14435424_RTRUKOC_0_US-SIMPSON.xml&src=rss&rpc=22Then Hitler's going to come out of hiding and tell us how he would have engineered the Holocaust, had it actually happened under his direction.
The upcoming Beatles album Love.
The bottom will fall out of the proverbial barrell if they scrape the fucker any harder. WTF yourself! Have you heard any of it? It's pretty fucking awesome.
Moon Pix
11-16-2006, 05:50 PM
WTF yourself! Have you heard any of it? It's pretty fucking awesome.
Havent they already repackaged and remarketed and the same old same old enough already though? Im no Beatles fan but I still don't want to see the legacy being repackaged and served up yet again when all of that stuffs been available for years and years.
All You Need Is Cash it seems.
Havent they already repackaged and remarketed and the same old same old enough already though? Im no Beatles fan but I still don't want to see the legacy being repackaged and served up yet again when all of that stuffs been available for years and years.
All You Need Is Cash it seems.
Love is the expanded sountrack for the Cirque du Soliel show of the same name and the songs have been completely remixed in a seamless fashion, some mashed-up with other Beatles songs in the modern tradition, by George & Giles Martin with input from Paul and Ringo. It's not just another "best of" package.
Moon Pix
11-16-2006, 06:33 PM
Love is the expanded sountrack for the Cirque du Soliel show of the same name and the songs have been completely remixed in a seamless fashion, some mashed-up with other Beatles songs in the modern tradition, by George & Giles Martin with input from Paul and Ringo. It's not just another "best of" package.
Oh alright then... I didnt realise that its different material. I just saw the tracklisting and assumed the worst.
Lukas
11-16-2006, 11:38 PM
Why hasn't anyone mentioned Malachi Richter?
Because it was on the Matablog is my guess.
bo dying (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2665857) the day before what's possibly the biggest michigan-ohio state game ever.
so, heard any good jokes (http://us.video.aol.com/video.index.adp?mode=1&pmmsid=1772645) lately? He was live via satellite on letterman tonight, who evidently had booked Jerry Seinfeld on as a guest a while ago, and used the occasion for some ridiculously efficient if insane and deeply insulting spin control. Kramer, that loveable racist, also took the bait and lied about trying to 'diffuse the situation' when prodded by Dave. I think being so distraught about the demise of such an iconic comedic legacy is making me mix metaphors with abandon. How about the laughing Late Show crowd being admonished by Richards, so that the appropriate tone could be set before delivering the guts of the mea culpa? So creepy, so sad.
johansen smith
11-21-2006, 04:37 AM
Richards was just tellin it like it is, 50 years ago I would have had their ass on a fork, just as soon as I figured out what that meant
Moon Pix
11-22-2006, 01:49 PM
The fact that U2 are going to be releasing their 3rd best of set in four years.
Releasing 3 best ofs in 4 years is bad and exploitative enough for anybody. The fact that its U2 just makes it worse.
vesper
11-22-2006, 02:02 PM
it's quite easy not to buy it, moon pix, please don't lose any sleep.
Miss Tasty Princess
11-22-2006, 03:11 PM
Richards was just tellin it like it is, 50 years ago I would have had their ass on a fork, just as soon as I figured out what that meantForks were very cold in the 1950s, so negro servants were often required to sit on them to warm them for their benevolent masters.
Moon Pix
11-22-2006, 04:26 PM
it's quite easy not to buy it, moon pix, please don't lose any sleep.
I won't buy it cause I don't like em and never have but I still think 3 in 4 years is a bit much for anybody.
johansen smith
11-22-2006, 05:05 PM
U2 is the most important band of all time, every new album is a new best of.
Miss Tasty Princess
12-03-2006, 12:02 PM
OutKast Idlewild
No wonder Tower had it marked down to 70% off instead of 50% like most everything else.
Moon Pix
12-04-2006, 05:59 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGLX9rmfp30&mode=related&search=
Well it made me laugh anyway.:)
Found it accidentally by putting Troy Gregory into youtube.com.
http://www.brooklynvegan.com/archives/2006/12/riaa_moves_to_r.html
Patrick
12-08-2006, 02:49 PM
This is retarded - the RIAA is everyone's favorite whipping-boy, and none of these ignoramuses have a clue how industry economics work.
The battle is between record labels and publishers, not record labels and artists. The confusions here are several, but at the heart of them is the idea that publishing royalties unlike record royalties are unmediated... untrue. There are mega-gigantic corporations that control both worlds, and two hugely powerful trade associations who spend millions of lobbying dollars in Washington. It's just that people have never heard of the NMPA and don't understand music publishing the way they understand record labels. )To their credit, the NMPA seems to be a hell of a lot better at PR than the RIAA.)
What these doofuses at the Vegan and the even more uneducated idiots at Digitalmusic don't understand is that - purely due to historical accident - record royalties are governed by contract law, and publishing royalties are governed by statute law. That means that while record labels and recording artists are free to negotiate any kind of royalty for the sale of recorded performances, the royalty payable for the sale of musical compositions is fixed by law. The NMPA naturally lobbies Congress to keep statutory publishing royalties as high as possible.
What is more, in the US and Canada (only), statutory mechanical royalties (the royalties paid for the sale of each LP, CD, download etc.), are expressed as a fixed penny rate, while artist royalties are nearly always expressed as a percentage of the selling price. (In the rest of the world, mechanicals are also expressed as a percentage of the selling price, which makes a hell of a lot more sense.) Moreover, the rate goes up every 2 years. It currently stands at 9.1 cents per song, or about $1.09 for a 12-song CD.
This means that at a time when market pressure, piracy, competition from other media etc. are all forcing CD prices down, and thus both the record label's profits and the recording artist's royalties, the publishing royalties are going up, which means that the publishers and the songwriters are profiting at the expense of the labels and the recording artists.
It totally behooves the RIAA to be lobbying to make the share-out more fair in today's marketplace. Particularly when it is record labels, not publishers, who spend money marketing and building profile for recorded music - much to the publishers' benefit when CD sales increase or when songs get included in TV commercials and films.
Of course the situation is a good deal more complicated than this summary suggests - many big record labels ARE also publishers (EMI and EMI Music Publishing, or Warner Music and Warner/Chappell), so this part of this is stealing from Peter to pay Paul, and spending enormous amounts of money in the process. And then for both downloads and ringtones the publishers are wielding the spectre of public-performance royalties as well as mechanical royalties... these are fewer cents per play, and this may all seem like a battle over pennies, but those pennnies add up, and it's the accumulation of those pennies that make music publishing a multi-billion dollar business.
complex stuff, way over the heads of people who post on public bulletin boards, "I hate the RIAA. Man, it felt good to say that."
Patrick
Yeah, I try not to jump off the handle at any RIAA-related news anymore, especially if it's coming from the pen of Brooklyn Vegan or some other entirely ignorant blogger (ignorant, at least, with regard to the inner-workings of music publishing/manufacturing/distro).
This means that at a time when market pressure, piracy, competition from other media etc. are all forcing CD prices down, and thus both the record label's profits and the recording artist's royalties, the publishing royalties are going up, which means that the publishers and the songwriters are profiting at the expense of the labels and the recording artists.
Patrick
The money paragraph here is confusing me because I'm imagining the RIAA and NMPA as baking and slicing two entirely seperate pies. Is there a causal relationship between label profits going down and publishers profits going up or is it just, as the evidently hugely problematic digitalmusic take goes, that the publishing side is just being a lot more technologically innovative and saavy, giving it a bigger pie to cut these days? I'm sure that I'm drawing a woefully inadequate parallel here but the NMPA comes off as the post-WWII American business-union social contract model where market/world dominance was so complete that a form of mutually agreed upon "harmony" was benficial for most all, but then playing out at the same time, the RIAA comes in with its late twentieth early 21st cen ownership class attack on that previously worked out agreement because the conditions are completely different and require, from the owners point of view, a new slicing paradigm. This is all a long way to say that i don't know exactly how "at the expense of" in this situation works. Besides the fact that I'm green with regards to how recording artists and songwriters not the same people most of the time. Am I on the right track here if, for example, I think about Kurt Cobain's bank account as opposed to Novoselic and Grohl? That's a bad example but you know what I mean. Moz/Marr as opposed to...the other guys.
You alluded to the p.r. differences so I guess you can you understand how these moves (market adjustment = short-term recording artist hit for supposed long term solvency) don't immediately engender people to RIAA's predicament. I always have to imagine that less people choose to be willfully ignorant than we give credit for, so if you spend that much time trying to inform about what the shot really is, go easy on the nasty kiss-offs. Some public bulletin board posters like myself are a) interested but b) not ensconced with this stuff on a day to day basis.
Patrick
12-08-2006, 04:56 PM
The money paragraph here is confusing me because I'm imagining the RIAA and NMPA as baking and slicing two entirely seperate pies. Is there a causal relationship between label profits going down and publishers profits going up or is it just, as the evidently hugely problematic digitalmusic take goes, that the publishing side is just being a lot more technologically innovative and saavy, giving it a bigger pie to cut these days?
Nah, it's one pie. And it's not that the publishers are more technologically savvy (they're often the same companies as the labels, remember), just that their take is determined by US law, increases every 2 years, and is measured in absolute terms, whereas label's take is determined by the actual market price and is measured in relative (percentage) terms. That means that the former is growing at the latter's expense, and exponentially so given that CD prices are going downwards year by year.
I'm sure that I'm drawing a woefully inadequate parallel here but the NMPA comes off as the post-WWII American business-union social contract model where market/world dominance was so complete that a form of mutually agreed upon "harmony" was benficial for most all, but then playing out at the same time, the RIAA comes in with its late twentieth early 21st cen ownership class attack on that previously worked out agreement because the conditions are completely different and require, from the owners point of view, a new slicing paradigm.
Sorry, this is completely baffling to me.
This is all a long way to say that i don't know exactly how "at the expense of" in this situation works. Besides the fact that I'm green with regards to how recording artists and songwriters not the same people most of the time. Am I on the right track here if, for example, I think about Kurt Cobain's bank account as opposed to Novoselic and Grohl? That's a bad example but you know what I mean. Moz/Marr as opposed to...the other guys.
This is absolutely correct. For example, with Beatles songs... on "Yesterday" the four of them get equal shares of the artist royalty, while Lennon/McCartney split the publishing 50/50, to the exclusion of the other two. But we're so much in the rock world that we don't think of the more common situation where the songwriters are completely different from the performers... Frank Sinatra recording Rodgers & Hart compositions, Tamla Motown artists recording Holland-Dozier-Holland compositions, Mariah Carey recording compositions by songwriters we've never heard of but who earn millions.
You alluded to the p.r. differences so I guess you can you understand how these moves (market adjustment = short-term recording artist hit for supposed long term solvency) don't immediately engender people to RIAA's predicament.
I don't expect people to sympathize with any big-business trade association (oil, real estate, copper trading, what have you). But I do expect people not to leap to snap conclusions about an industry if they have no idea how it works. The number of people out there who think they know exactly how the recorded music biz works (labels rip off artists and make huge profits by ripping off the public as well), and feel perfectly comfortable making sweeping statements about it in total ignorance of the facts, is astounding to me.
I always have to imagine that less people choose to be willfully ignorant than we give credit for, so if you spend that much time trying to inform about what the shot really is, go easy on the nasty kiss-offs. Some public bulletin board posters like myself are a) interested but b) not ensconced with this stuff on a day to day basis.
dola, my comments aren't directed at you so much as the participants on the digitalmusic board. But I do think people choose to be wilfully ignorant, especially about this subject. For one thing, it rationalizes their own behavior (it doesn't matter if we rip off the artist because the artist isn't getting paid anyway). For another, people are always looking for something to be self-righteous about. See the comment about prison time for bootlegging music being longer than possession of child pornography - aside from the assumptions here (how long are these prison terms, don't they vary by state and by magnitude of the offense, prior record, aggravating circumstances? where does this datum come from?), the tone of perfectly self-satisfied outrage sums up the smug behavior of the great ignorant middlebrow masses in all places, in all eras. Sorry, but I think people should do research and question their assumptions, not go along with the received majority viewpoint. End of rant.
Patrick
I don't expect people to sympathize with any big-business trade association (oil, real estate, copper trading, what have you). But I do expect people not to leap to snap conclusions about an industry if they have no idea how it works. The number of people out there who think they know exactly how the recorded music biz works (labels rip off artists and make huge profits by ripping off the public as well), and feel perfectly comfortable making sweeping statements about it in total ignorance of the facts, is astounding to me.
Patrick No matter how incorrect they might be, people will keep making snap conclusions like this as long as cd prices continue to hover around the $17-$19 mark and shows like MTV'S Cribs continue to be broadcast and multi-million dollar videos and endorsements continue to be made. Even though that type of wealth is only possessed by maybe 0.5% of all musicians in the world, its exposure is so great that it creates about 99.5% of the perception.
Patrick
12-08-2006, 05:10 PM
CD prices do NOT hover around the $17 to $19 mark... when was the last time you were in a Best Buy, Paul? You can buy most hit albums from $9.99 to $11.99 there... and in a given week, many of them will be on sale at $6.99 or $7.99.
Even though that type of wealth is only possessed by maybe 0.5% of all musicians in the world, its exposure is so great that it creates about 99.5% of the perception.
Yeah, but I don't think the public begrudges star musicians rolling in cash... it's the labels and the RIAA who get blamed for ripping off musicians, right?
Patrick
Moon Pix
12-08-2006, 05:20 PM
In truth Patrick I think its just a symptom of the whole anti-corporate attitude a lot of folks these days like to yammer on about. Gets 'em totally opposed to anything smacking of "the man" without thinking about it.
CD prices do NOT hover around the $17 to $19 mark... when was the last time you were in a Best Buy, Paul? You can buy most hit albums from $9.99 to $11.99 there... and in a given week, many of them will be on sale at $6.99 or $7.99. Even at Best Buy, back titles still sometimes reach $15.99 or so and if you're shopping at the Virgin Megastore, which is actually about the same distance away for me as the closest Best Buy, the prices are higher and actually do reach the $17-$19 mark (although, in fairness, the selection is better).
Yeah, but I don't think the public begrudges star musicians rolling in cash... it's the labels and the RIAA who get blamed for ripping off musicians, right?
Patrick I don't think people are downloading instead of buying the new Jay-Z album (or whoever's album) because they think the RIAA is dirty. It's because they see on tv that Jay-Z is fucking loaded (and, in turn, this thought process is applied to every album the downloader wants to hear).
CD prices do NOT hover around the $17 to $19 mark...
A quick conversion of Matador CDs that retail for $19.99 (mid-price, yo!)-$22.99 Can in these parts say they do.
Miss Tasty Princess
12-08-2006, 06:19 PM
CD prices do NOT hover around the $17 to $19 mark... when was the last time you were in a Best Buy, Paul? You can buy most hit albums from $9.99 to $11.99 there... and in a given week, many of them will be on sale at $6.99 or $7.99.
I bought the new one from Beyoncé last week at BestBuy for $9.99 and the last PGMG for $7.99, when it was released. For catalog items, though, their prices are much higher. Then again, nowhere near as high as at the soon to be defunct Tower Records.
Lukas
12-08-2006, 06:29 PM
Most new CDs go from 14-25$ 'round here Patrick. I can't say I've ever found a newly released CD for less than 10$ in my life.
Sorry, this is completely baffling to me.
Patrick
Well, that was based on the premise that the RIAA and NMPA are in control of two completely independent revenue streams. A tale of two cities, two pies, or whatever other metaphor you'd want to mix was what I tried to tease out. (The socio-economic history there is solid, if simplified, though. The bourgeois counterattack on social programs since the 60's-70's has been well documented, not least of which from the business press.)
But I do think people choose to be wilfully ignorant, especially about this subject. For one thing, it rationalizes their own behavior (it doesn't matter if we rip off the artist because the artist isn't getting paid anyway).
Patrick
I don't think people are downloading instead of buying the new Jay-Z album (or whoever's album) because they think the RIAA is dirty. It's because they see on tv that Jay-Z is fucking loaded (and, in turn, this thought process is applied to every album the downloader wants to hear).
Paul
Patrick, I think you're right. However I download songs because I just can't afford to buy more than one cd a month right now. It has nothing to do with Black Mountain's crib size.
I think this all begs the question of what Patrick thinks about that granddaddy of smug outrage, The Problem With Music. (http://www.thebaffler.com/albiniexcerpt.html) Populist posing or a man with a real gripe?
Lukas
12-08-2006, 07:06 PM
The Problem With Music. (http://www.thebaffler.com/albiniexcerpt.html)
does this actually happen to bands these days, or is the just a load of hooey?
Moon Pix
12-08-2006, 08:00 PM
What you're all saying about the price of CDs in America is interesting to me as a Brit because over here Id say the average price for a cd is about £12.99 to £13.99. Obviously theres lots of variation but CDs that are no longer new releases tend to go for this sort of price in places like HMV and Virgin Megastores. The minimum wage over here is £5.35 per hour and looking at the page on Wikipedia about the minimum wage by state much of America's minimum wage is running at the federal level of $5.15 with it going up on the January 1st in many states. I guess that the increase in the states that get it will even our two countries up a bit but I can definitely see why y'all are pissed off at the moment paying $17 for a CD when the wage isnt even anywhere near $6 an hour for a lot of people. Then again that probably shows mylack of knowledge regarding the American economy because when ever they raise the minimum wage in Britain they just raise the price of everything else anyway so you're actually no better off.
I can see why Americans would be very hesitant to come to Britain for your holidays cause of how expensive it is for you. Everybody in Britain who goes to American for an holiday talks about how cheap everythingt is and how you can get two dollars for every pound but for you guys it works the other way and its very expensive for you to come here.
Lukas
12-08-2006, 09:18 PM
Minimum wage is 7 80 i think here, but what does this have to do with the RIAA?
Patrick
12-08-2006, 10:16 PM
Paul: Stores that won't compete on price will go out of business... [edit: UNLESS they offer something very special that Best Buy doesn't have. See Amoeba, Waterloo et. al.]
Funk and Lukas: I can't really comment about prices or the marketplace in Canada, which I'm much less familiar with. Also, Funk, I don't want to get into another argument about prices with you. Lukas, were the prices you quoted in US or Canadian dollars? I saw plenty of cheap CDs at an HMV in downtown Montreal last year, but I can't remember how cheap.
Moon Pix: There's a store I visited called Fopp in London where the top price was £9.99. The Yo La Tengo album was priced at that level. But far more of the CDs in the shop were £7.99, and a ton of really yummy catalog was £4.99.
Paul: Point taken about Jay-Z. But I don't think that thought process does apply to most people who are buying indie music. I could be wrong.
dola: Much of what Albini wrote in that article doesn't necessarily apply these days. He was on the money in 1992 or whenever it came out. Though I seem to recall a few errors in it. This has been discussed here before - you might want to do a search of the archives.
About affording CDs: dola, I'm sure that you mean what you say. But if there wasn't the option of downloading, would you still only buy 1 CD per month? When I was a student I basically went without food to buy records. I might not make that choice today. [edit: Of course, I also bought vast quantities of used records. Still do.]
Patrick
Moon Pix
12-09-2006, 03:45 AM
Minimum wage is 7 80 i think here, but what does this have to do with the RIAA?
Ijust figured that the amount of money people get paid is linked to the amount of money they have left after rent, bills and everything else. The disposable income you have left after all this to enjoy yourself with. I was just saying that If a cd cost £19 instead of say £12.99 Id really have to love the artist before Id go and buy it.
I guess it doesnt really have anything to do with the RIAA, it has more to do with the commom people out there working crappy low paid jobs not being able to hear as much music as theyd like through the regular means and turning to the internet instead. Ive certainly done it myself enough recently but for a good four years or so I was just buying CDs and hoping for the best.
Lukas
12-10-2006, 08:03 PM
anyone else notice that Tino is NEARING THE 3000 MARK? congrats man
Patrick
12-10-2006, 09:53 PM
I think it's generally agreed that tinobeat is a god.
Patrick
Lukas
12-10-2006, 11:01 PM
wait is there even given title for 3000 posts? If so, I'm excited to see to see what it is. *crosses fingers* for 'Carpal Tunnel Syndrom'
Futureman
12-10-2006, 11:05 PM
hey, that's pretty good.
tinobeat
12-11-2006, 12:02 AM
hahaha... I figured I'd been slowing down, I've been expecting johansen smith to surpass me any day now...
so after this post, 2 more til 3000. Jesus.
I believe 5000 would be the next benchmark? "roll out the Turing machine?" as a title, mayhaps?
how'd this come up in this thread? I don't even think I posted in it until just now...
vesper
12-11-2006, 12:13 AM
yr right, it's presence on this thread was a little WTF, which makes this whole thing kinda meta, huh.
Tino has an egotistical sixth sense that tells him when he's being talked about.
Lukas
12-11-2006, 12:18 AM
With little age comes greater peripheral vision. I'm like george in the episode that's all about squinting, just spotting those posts like that *snaps fingers*.
edit - Oh I misread your post Tino, I didn't know where else to post it. meh
johansen smith
12-11-2006, 12:26 AM
hahaha... I figured I'd been slowing down, I've been expecting johansen smith to surpass me any day now...
so after this post, 2 more til 3000. Jesus.
I believe 5000 would be the next benchmark? "roll out the Turing machine?" as a title, mayhaps?
how'd this come up in this thread? I don't even think I posted in it until just now...
at 5000 posts, Mark Ohe designs an avatar for you
Lukas
12-11-2006, 01:04 AM
at 5000 posts, Mark Ohe designs an avatar for you and Lukas
Pretty please?
Mark Ohe
12-11-2006, 11:41 AM
5000?
3000 is already pretty impressive.
how about if i design an avatar at the 3333 mark?
5000?
3000 is already pretty impressive.
how about if i design an avatar at the 3333 mark?
cool. at 5000 posts, tattoo designs will be in order.
Mark Ohe
12-11-2006, 11:52 AM
i don't so tattoos man.
Mark Ohe
12-11-2006, 11:53 AM
isn't my strong suit.
i meant to type, "i don't do tattoos."
isn't my strong suit.
i meant to type, "i don't do tattoos."
"matadar & destroy". yeah, could get messy.
tinobeat
12-11-2006, 12:38 PM
OK, guys, I'm taking a break. I'll see you in a few months. I'm gonna try to be the LAST person to 3000!
just... must... not... post... again...
*sweats*
Fiona
12-11-2006, 12:47 PM
"matadar & destroy". yeah, could get messy.
Especially if you fuck up the spelling.
Hey tinobeat! I heard some things from Funk about your wife and kt... just sayin'
vesper
12-11-2006, 01:01 PM
so tinobeat, i have this question for you...
wait, bernie mac already made a movie about this...
But just as <insert tinobeat> thinks it's all about the numbers, he finally begins to see what really counts. Soon the cocky, self-absorbed, ego machine is trying a different tactic: discovering the fun of teamwork, ethics and even falling in love--as he learns the difference between a successful life and a meaninful one.
Futureman
12-11-2006, 06:04 PM
Hey tino,
What TFU182 album should I start with? Please respond ASAP.
vesper
12-11-2006, 06:14 PM
guys, we're all really boring, aren't we?
Fiona
12-13-2006, 06:44 PM
Two events causing my blood to boil:
1) All tickets for shows taking place here in 2007 on will be subject to sales tax, where previously they'd been exempt. Sales tax here is 21%. Grrrrr.
2) Some shameless FUCKER stole my Missoni scarf from the Harbourmaster this afternoon. I sincerely hope it gets caught in a tree in the current gales and the prick responsible strangles in a designer death.
Miss Tasty Princess
12-13-2006, 07:12 PM
All tickets for shows taking place here in 2007 on will be subject to sales tax, where previously they'd been exempt. Sales tax here is 21%. Grrrrr.Time to start stabbing your local politicians.
Lukas
12-13-2006, 11:01 PM
can anyone explain to me the whole "clean lyrics" tag they put on some albums on itunes. Do they actually bleep out all the cuss words, or is it a subject matter thing as well?
Patrick
12-13-2006, 11:10 PM
Some shameless FUCKER stole my Missoni scarf from the Harbourmaster this afternoon. I sincerely hope it gets caught in a tree in the current gales and the prick responsible strangles in a designer death.
I feel your pain - I hate that. What is the Harbourmaster btw?
Patrick
Fiona
12-14-2006, 02:25 PM
I feel your pain - I hate that. What is the Harbourmaster btw?
Patrick
The Harbourmaster's a bar & restaurant in the financial district. It's housed in the 19th century former docks office, which is presumably where the name comes from.
Apologies for the unladylike swearing, but I was feeling very aggrieved.
Elijah
12-14-2006, 03:06 PM
can anyone explain to me the whole "clean lyrics" tag they put on some albums on itunes. Do they actually bleep out all the cuss words, or is it a subject matter thing as well?Some tracks just carry that tag for no apparent reason other than (of course) as a reassurance to the contemptibly timid that they're CLEAN. I've seen that tag attached to quite a few albums that didn't have an EXPLICIT counterpart.
I wish they'd use a tag that was a true antonym to EXPLICIT, like VAGUE LYRICS, or ABSTRACT LYRICS. But whatever.
Lukas
12-14-2006, 04:46 PM
so it's just some random proccess, fair enough. thanks elijah, and I liek the 'bout abstract lyrics. funneh
The Harbourmaster's a bar & restaurant in the financial district. It's housed in the 19th century former docks office, which is presumably where the name comes from.
Apologies for the unladylike swearing, but I was feeling very aggrieved.
Sounds like a place the hedge-fund managers from Trinity all drink at. Reliving old rugby glory, having a laugh about cunts* and such.
*I hope that's not just a Scottish thing.
bitterfruit
12-15-2006, 05:16 PM
sexual consent (http://www.glumbert.com/media/consent)
Salman
12-17-2006, 10:39 PM
sexual consent (http://www.glumbert.com/media/consent)
Chappelle did something similar to this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGpSrscia0A
Elijah
12-18-2006, 08:50 AM
I don't know why she didn't use this as the cover for the full-length CD.
Elijah
12-19-2006, 09:05 AM
The following sentence appears in one of the publications I'm currently working on. It is said in earnest:In [city], McDonald's employees are so delighted with their new uniforms, featuring palm trees and golden arches, that they often wear the clothes created by [client] when they're off duty.I shit you not.
was looking for the knicks winning tip in. found something better. at the buzzer! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOf_D359BhU)
was looking for the knicks winning tip in. found something better. at the buzzer! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOf_D359BhU) Oh man, that's fucking hilarious!
Miss Tasty Princess
12-23-2006, 01:06 AM
I don't know why she didn't use this as the cover for the full-length CD.Well, it is the back cover of the booklet for the album but I totally agree that it should've been the front.
bitterfruit
12-28-2006, 02:22 AM
Many times medicine related to sex excitement (Like Figra) and many food which are not totally cooked so that It crate gas problems or many type disease in my body. If I do anything my room which are very amazing, then they get very shocked, then next day, they do very bad activities for disturbing me. My mother made very dirty voice and do dirty activities (Like rubbing her boobs) for disturbing my concentration. My father mostly time touch their penis (cock) or rub it in front of me for just loosing my concentration on my projects. My teacher who rub or touch their penis in front of me when I ask my any problems or any discussion with them.
There's humor to be found in this world in all sorts of unexpected places (http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=142111921&blogID=209723124).
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