Malkmus opening for Radiohead

[anagrama]

SM and the jerks are opening for Radiohead on all the dates for the upcoming north american tour.

good for stevie. hopefully the shows will be better than his spring tour, which got....pretty mixed reviews. yep.

[tinobeat]

bro, gettin' down on Smalky is sooo cliche, and I know how much you hate being cliche, so just givin a heads up...

at least you haven't lost your knack for riveting thread-starters.

SM opening for Radiohead... and? your post reads like you were forced to write it... get in with some gusto, kiddo! that's what the E is for! postulate beyond "his last tour had mixed reviews," I mean, how much more noncommital does it get? at least speculate on something people can follow up on:

"I wonder if playing large sheds and arenas will give SM creepy Lollapalooza flashbacks?" "Will Thom Yorke show Stephen the secret to his hott new fashion mullet (have you seen the cover of SPIN? yow!)?" "Will Radiohead decide to throw out the electronics after seeing two weeks of "1% of 1" every night?" "Is this the big break SM's been waiting for for 12 years?" "Bro, Malk sold out wicked bad!" "I'm sooooo totally psyched that all the Radiohead fans'll get to hear Stephen's wonderful songs!" "OhmahgawdIneed2getticketss4thatlikerightfugginnow!"

well, I guess you got at least one follow-up though...

don't mind me, I'm hopped up on allergy medicine and can't really breathe so great, and I was hoping for an interesting post to take my mind off it..

[anagrama]

can you not be such a condescending asshole all the time?
like jesus tinobeat, seriously fuck off.

i don't like you and I absolutely don't value your opinions/ideas on anything. So unless you are going to talk about Radiohead or Stephen Malkmus...........fuck off.

I don't care if you have nothing better to do with your time than a daily anagrama dig, its still annoying. Stop it. Leave me the alone, get a new hobby. Go outside, meet females, have sex....and develop a new hobby besides a smartass dig at some kid on a message board.

Im not dissing SM, I said that of the 4 reviews I read of his live shows on the spring tour, all were marginally positive...and noted how the material from pig lib didnt sound as good as on the record.

[tinobeat]

I don't care if you have nothing better to do with your time than a daily anagrama dig, its still annoying. Stop it. Leave me the alone, get a new hobby. Go outside, meet females, have sex....and develop a new hobby besides a smartass dig at some kid on a message board.

actually, I do a lot with my time, including running a (small) record label, playing/recording in two bands, working two jobs, having sex (with my girlfriend whom I live with), traveling, etc etc.

call it stress relief. Its a hobby away from all my other hobbies...

anyhow, my long string of possible topics you could have touched on were actually for the most part things I'd be interested in discussing about SM, so I DID talk about radiohead and SM. how are radiohead fans going to react, I wonder? how will the Jicks translate into an arena/enormodome setting?

relax.. the whole "cliche" thing was a jab at your recent spate of calling people you disagree with snobs and then telling them its cliche to be a snob or whatever. lighten up, its a fucking message board. My posts are always responses with some occasional barbs thrown in, not just plain contentless barbs...

so anyway, yeah, SM and radiohead: match made in heaven or just another overhyped pairing of overrated "geniuses?"

[music dude]

I wonder if the radiohead fans will even care that Malkmus is playing. I think opening for radiohead is a good financial move though. radiohead fans are so fanatic, that all they want to see is radiohead, and for that reason i wonder if they will even acknowledge the greatness of the Jicks. Like last year, Neil Hagerty opened for wilco, which i think was great for his pockets, but i wonder if wilco fans rushed out to buy NMh records, or did they just think," I wish this guy would hurry up, so I can see Wilco,". I also remember when Unwound and Polvo opened for Sonic Youth, and people really seemd to ignore them because the SY was playing, and that is such an all encompassing experience, that both their performances were almost forgotten after SY played. But atleast the radiohead fans will know the Malkman is out there, and maybe they will look for his records after the rush of the radiohead has passed. But I'm sure that this tour will be great for SM and the Jicks, especially where the pockets are concerned.

[jarv]

steve smiles too much to impress radiobedhead fans.

[jarv]

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can i have some fucking space at the start of my post please? that's my thing .

[tinobeat]

Originally posted by music dude
I wonder if the radiohead fans will even care that Malkmus is playing. I think opening for radiohead is a good financial move though. radiohead fans are so fanatic, that all they want to see is radiohead, and for that reason i wonder if they will even acknowledge the greatness of the Jicks.

That's why I hate going to big shows like that. there isn't the sense of "hey, we're at a show, lets see all these bands, yay music!" Its this annoying eye-rolling at anyone who has the misfortune of getting on stage that isn't the superhero headliners.

On the flipside though, Sigur Ros and Clinic both got big breaks opening for radiohead, but that might have been in europe, where maybe people are more open to hearing something new.

[earl grey]

my love affair with spiritualized started when i saw them open up for radiohead 4 or 5 years ago, and i've gotten into other bands as well just by seeing them open up a show. (dead meadow being a fine recent example.)

as for SM and radiohead though, i don't know. i think i'll be one of the few equally into both sets.... i've found it's often best not to spring malkmus on unsuspecting ears, especially if those ears don't already lean towards things in that vein. we'll see though, it might be cool ... many RH fans think everything they say/do is gospel, so SM might ride that wave....

regardless, i think he'd do a kickass cover of "wolf at the door" (the last track on the new RH album).

[music dude]

It seems like this is the way that the smaller bands are making their money though. Calexico opened for PJ Harvey, Blonde Redhead opening for Red Hot Chili Peppers, and I heard that a while back Thinking Fellers Union 282 opened for Live, so I think it's partially about exposure, but I think it's more about the dinero, because Malkmus can play the somewhat smaller venues where the fans of his music can pay the 20 or so bucks to see him, and then go out on tour with radiohead for a month, where the tix are probably like 50 dollars, and make the big money.
I don't think he believes he's gonna change in minds, but he might gain some fans. Either way it goes it is a good thing.

[box elder]

This could be The Line-up that will get me to go to a show at an arena/stadium . As much as I hate these kinds of venues, I'm interested to see how Les Jicks intimacy transfers over to large open air with crappy acoustics.

And I'll be happy to see Radiohead strap on some guitars again... they lost me for a while. Maybe I'll 'get it' in 5 years or so, but maybe not.

Hmmm... Montreal? or Toronto. Montreal? or Toronto. I choose M-unreal.

[Funk]

Originally posted by tinobeat
having sex (with my girlfriend whom I live with)

Our little Spec Bebop is so grown up now!

[Gerard]

While bands like Radiohead and Wilco (Sonic Youth also come to mind) are generally more fair/generous about what their support acts get paid...trust me, someone like SM makes more money playing his own gigs to his own fans. He's not doing this for the loot.

Promoters offer the heavy guarantees to Radiohead long before support acts are confirmed. I'm sure they were happy enough to learn SM was on the bill, but not so happy that more money was ponied up

I remember the TFUL282 dates with Live and once again, they weren't getting rich off that, either. THey were paid a nominal sum to play in front of a large audience they otherwise would have little chance of reaching. Or course, whether or not they actually did "reach" said audience is something you can go back and forth about. Since Radiohead once supported Alanis Morrissette, they probably have some perspective on the whole thing too.

But none of this is meant to complain about the headliners, either. To my knowledge, Radiohead & mgmt. are nice enough about this stuff, probably because they are fans of the bands they invite...and they also remember what it was like to play in front of 20,000 strangers. But not all bands at the arena (or even theatre) level treat support bands with much consideration --- the pay-to-play phenomena still exists (especially in europe).

Some friends of mine were offered $300-$500 a night supporting a terrible famous band who I won't mention (oh what the heck, they're called Bush) several years back. In some cities this was more money than they'd have gotten doing their own show, in other cities less. But the expenses playing the arena circuit were higher in that it would've required more crew and much harsher drives.

GC

[Funk]

To my knowledge, Radiohead & mgmt. are nice enough about this stuff, probably because they are fans of the bands they invite...and they also remember what it was like to play in front of 20,000 strangers.

Yeah, it's not like Radiohead were a big one-hit wonder or anything where they could at least play that one song that the 20 000 "strangers" would react to or anything.

[Gerard]

good point sir, though I think at that stage in their career ('Bends' era), the band probably wanted to distance themselves a bit from said 1-hit and build some recognition for themselves as a multi-dimensional band. Whether or not it is possible to do that while opening for Alanis Morrisette is another question entirely, as is any belief that Radiohead had more to offer at that point or even this point. I like 'em, but so what?

Now would be an excellent time to hear from Matthew Caws of Nada Surf about the pitfalls of relying on your one massive mainsteam hit to get any reaction from an ampitheatre audience otherwise occupied eating snowcones and checking text messages. But we already built something into the message board software that bans him or any of his fans, friends or family members, so never mind. It was a nice thought.

[jt. r]

i'd just like to hear "church on white", "water and a seat" and "sheets" (dead meadow/r.trux style) through those massive stax. however, the tweeter center (camden) is so overpriced and the sound so bad for the proletarians on the lawn. and the concertgoers complain about camden for the whole show. and then they retreat to the suburbs.
this is not my idea of a good time. i did once try to see radiohead in bull run, va., and with the way the weather is this year, it might get flooded out again.

[bitterfruit]

New Radiohead does nothing for me at all.

I enjoy the Anagrama digs and always will. His retorts need some work. I'll give him a 3.5 for trying though.

[Kameek N Deesha]

Weird.

Ten years ago Pavement meant the world to me and I thought Radiohead were post-grunge posers (hated their first two records)... now Malkmus doesn't interest me at all and I think Radiohead is one of the best pop bands around... I'll never forget what Beavis & Butthead said about Pavement: "These guys need to, like, try harder! Yeah, uh-huh-huh!"

And Wilco is a great fucking band -- Tweedy is one of the most overlooked lyricists working today...

[jt. r]

so break out all your band-aids. how is it possible that tweedy is overlooked? wilco were one of the most touted bands of the past 4 years. i've seen wilco a bunch of times (and again next weekend when they roll into town with sonic youth), but i feel like most of the folks who were doing the 2002 retrospective: it wore me out.
and why call "not for the season" "laminated cat" unless you wanted to purposely obfuscate a good straight-ahead pop song for quasi artrock pastiche?

[bitterfruit]

If Tweedy is overlooked, then the Uncle Tupelo re-releases wouldn't be doing as well as they probably are. If anything, YHF has brought more to him as an artist than anything ever has, including Summerteeth and AM.

[Kameek N Deesha]

I said LYRICS you blockheads! verbs, nouns, adjectives, etc.

[music dude]

"I wonder why we listen to poets, when nobody gives a fuck."

Dont hate on Tweedy