song your lovin' -- 2008 style

[bitterfruit]

Magnetic Fields - Papa Was A Rodeo

[Brushback]

I was out driving the other day, and I listened to this one about 7 or 8 times in a row. The mix, with the guitar and drums pushed all the way to the front, is freaking awesome.

Government Issue, "Blending In" (http://brushback.vox.com/library/audio/6a00d09e553660be2b00e398cf2a9a0005.html) (live version from "Give Us Stabb or Give Us Death" on Mystic)

Looking for the reason
Trying to find the answer
Searching for the reason
Please don't shut that door

Stabb's lyrics never seemed to have more than one or two verses, but they were always perfect.

[Elijah]

song your lovin' -- 2008 styleI hate to be a dick, but can someone with mod privileges PLEASE correct the spelling in that title?

[Paul]

Ha! I thought that, but didn't post about it. I'm trying to control my grammar cop tendencies.

[johansen smith]

"Days" the Kinks

[Patrick]

"Days" the Kinks

Yes. One of the greatest songs ever written. You need to hear a blue mono Pye 7" of this played with a mono cartridge.

[bitterfruit]

I hate to be a dick, but can someone with mod privileges PLEASE correct the spelling in that title?

I fixed it. Wrote it under the influence of alcohol and drugs originally and now.

[johansen smith]

Yes. One of the greatest songs ever written. You need to hear a blue mono Pye 7" of this played with a mono cartridge.
Was it never an official album track? Three different versions of the track are listed under the supplemental bonus tracks on all three discs of the Village Green box set-- I believe the version you're speaking of is the one that caps off the album on disc two. I know I know it's not the same as the actual vinyl but beggars, choosy, etc
On a side note, this triple disc set is seriously one of the most in-depth single album releases I can think of, I don't remember what I paid but it was under $30.

[Patrick]

It totally was an album track... but those '60s British 45s have the most amazing sound - mastered so hot, the music just leaps out of the speakers.

I don't have the CD set of Village Green but understand that I need it.

[Paul]

I first got to know the song on the Reprise compilation The Kink Kronikles, which is still one of the best Kinks comps available.

[Salman]

Juice Newton - Angel of the Morning
I heard it on the radio and I can't get it out of my head. Was this song huge in the 80's? I've been told the original is far superior...

[Paul]

Juice Newton - Angel of the Morning
I heard it on the radio and I can't get it out of my head. Was this song huge in the 80's? I've been told the original is far superior...
Juice Newton's version was everywhere in the 80s. I'm not sure I've ever heard the earlier versions.

[Patrick]

I fixed it. Wrote it under the influence of alcohol and drugs originally and now.

Glad I'm not the only one posting 'under the influence'... of whatever.

[Patrick]

I was out driving the other day, and I listened to this one about 7 or 8 times in a row. Government Issue, "Blending In"

Ah yes. Blending In. One of the greatest songs ever written? Perfect, clipped, spartan. "Looking for a reason." If only all music was like this (in function if not form).

[bitterfruit]

Glad I'm not the only one posting 'under the influence'... of whatever.

Sounds like we need a what's your poison thread.

[otto midnight]

the quick - my purgatory years

[otto midnight]

lover - bo peep & frank.

actually any lover song will do. so f'ing good.

[Moon Pix]

Bob Dylan - "It Ain't Me Babe."

[vesper]

a couple:

pete rock ft. jim jones - "we roll"
dj /rupture - "bonechip"
hercules & love affair - "classique #2"
matthew dear - "tide"

right now i can't put any of these over each other. love 'em all.

[Dave]

Sic Alps "Strawberry Guillotine

[Paul]

Adam Tensta, "My Cool"

[tinobeat]

Sic Alps "Strawberry Guillotine

totally amazing single, and I love that the cover is a tribute to the Summer Hits "Mod Cinema" 7", possibly one of the greatest noise pop singles ever.

my song:

"See Oh Three" by Beachwood Sparks. I listened to it some 4 times in a row yesterday

[Moon Pix]

The songs the Childballads have got at their MySpace. They supported Chan when I saw her last year and Im just getting into 'em.

Ive gotta get that ep.:)

[vesper]

invisible conga people - "cable dazed"

[awol]

Blood On The Wall "Rize"
The Stones "Gunner Ho!"

[Moon Pix]

Grinderman - "No Pussy Blues."

I love Nick partly because he's endlessly quotable.

Female Interviewer: Does it have any deeper meaning we should know about?
Nick: (ponders for a moment) No... its just about not getting any pussy.

[tinobeat]

The Stones "Gunner Ho!"


Gotta say, it takes some stones to call a band "The Stones," hahaha..

[Elijah]

Gutter Twins - Idle Hands

I can’t wait for this album to come out.

[vesper]

this (http://youtube.com/watch?v=LaTtqJvCQQs) would be better with some enormous diva vocals, but i still need it on vinyl.

[Brushback]

I've had Pinback's "From Nothing to Nowhere" stuck in my head for a week now. I saw the video just once, but now it's become a disease.

I even downloaded the song off their web site so I could play in on my mp3 player in the car, that's how bad it's gotten.

[gravitywinz]

just about all the new songs from Je Suis Animal.

[Paul]

Kissy Sell Out's remix of Gwen Stefani's "Wind it Up" is toight!

[awol]

Kurt Vile "Space Forklift"

edit- hell, " Slow Talkers" & Don't Get Cute" are great as well!

[A-Squared]

Kurt Vile "Space Forklift"

edit- hell, " Slow Talkers" & Don't Get Cute" are great as well!

How is this album? I've been thinking of picking it up.

Right now, I'm loving Atomic Forest "Obsession '77". This is from the recently released Obsession comp of rare world psychedelic tracks. The whole comp is killer (much more solid throughout than the usual world psych comps, probably due to the lack of regional focus), but this track is so massive!

[awol]

How is this album? I've been thinking of picking it up.

Right now, I'm loving Atomic Forest "Obsession '77". This is from the recently released Obsession comp of rare world psychedelic tracks. The whole comp is killer (much more solid throughout than the usual world psych comps, probably due to the lack of regional focus), but this track is so massive!

Yeah, I think the Kurt Vile album is worth checking out. Pretty solid front to back, it's these really spacey pop tunes w/effects and pleasing drones all woven throughout it. Very easy on the ears, and has just been hitting the spot since I got it. Apparently he's got another one already finished, just looking for a label now...

I sold that Obsession comp to a friend the other day (I work at a record store) and she was raving about it as well. Need to check that out!

[the Pawnbroker]

I swiped The Cosmic Psycho's "Custom Credit" off of Brushback's blog:

"You drive me up the wall/I ain't no spider!"

[tinobeat]

"We Are The Only Animals" - Nodzzz
"Hurricane Fighter Plane" - The Red Crayola

[Moon Pix]

Johnny Cash - "Cocaine Blues."

[A-Squared]

"We Are The Only Animals" - Nodzzz

Both sides of this 7" are songs I'm lovin'. I can't decide which I like more, it changes each time I flip the record over.

[awol]

The Mice "Little Rage"

I've got that Nodzzz 7" sitting at home, haven't listened yet...

[Patrick]

That Nodzzz single is brilliant.

[Salman]

Psychedelic Horseshit "Portals"
I'm really late on there bandwagan! I've been listening to Magic Flowers Droned a lot lately.

[Moon Pix]

Sonic Chicken 4 - "Sexiest".
Double tempo guitar and wonky organ. Reminds of a lo-fi version of the Live 1969 - Volume 1 by the Velvet Underground. I don't think I could listen to this sort of thing over the length of an album but holy shit is it exhilirating in small doses. Thanks Paul.:)

[tinobeat]

Oh, its just as good over the course of a brisk LP...

[Paul]

Tino's right. The LP is less than a half hour long.

[Red Medicine]

No Use For a Name - "Biggest Lie"

STREAM: http://www.myspace.com/nouseforaname
MP3 LINK: http://www.zshare.net/audio/810222241149f6/

These guys are single-handedly responsible for making me a listener/buyer of independent music. Their 1995 album Leche Con Carne! was the first independently-released CD I ever heard (and consequently bought). Their sound gradually began to mellow down by 1999, but I kept on buying their albums, wondering if they'd ever record something like Leche Con Carne! ever again.

Damn. This new song SHREDS. Fast and furious, but also supported by a genuinely strong melody. Tony's voice finally sounds manly again, and Matt's backing vocals have never been so effective.

This song is actually making me giddy. Even though I've already bought some great albums by great artists this year (Vampire Weekend, Stephen Malkmus, etc.), I don't think any of them will make me as happy as NUFAN's. This is the sound that made me a fan of indie music. Wow.

[Moon Pix]

Sonic Chicken 4 - "Sexiest".

What CD is it on?

[tinobeat]

Sonic Chicken 4 have a self-titled LP out that has the CD included in the package. No CD-only release that I know of.

[Moon Pix]

Sonic Chicken 4 have a self-titled LP out that has the CD included in the package. No CD-only release that I know of.

Does the CD have proper packaging or have they just bunged it in one of those paper sleeves?

[Dave]

Does the CD have proper packaging or have they just bunged it in one of those paper sleeves?

Please these technical terms are beyond most of us here. Yes it is "just bunged" in to the LP in a paper sleeve.

Dave

[otto midnight]

Yes it is "just bunged" in to the LP in a paper sleeve.

Dave


i no longer want to touch my copy and i think i need to find some neosporin or something.


songs i'm loving right now:

hey! - home blitz
bad time/kamikaze style - overnight lows
i live for today - jack o. & the tennessee tearjerkers

[Moon Pix]

Please these technical terms are beyond most of us here. Yes it is "just bunged" in to the LP in a paper sleeve.

Dave

Sorry. I keep forgetting my Britishisms don't mean anything in America.

[Fiona]

Sorry. I keep forgetting my Britishisms don't mean anything in America.
You've got to give Dave credit for deciphering what you meant, though.

[Moon Pix]

You've got to give Dave credit for deciphering what you meant, though.

Absolutely. Ill try to control the impulse in future cause you lot don't post on these boards using obscure American slang words.

[Moon Pix]

Aren't they kind of just shooting themselves in the foot by not giving the thing a proper CD release? I thought we'd established by now that the kids just don't care about vinyl anymore. Why else would Matador plan a a CD comp of Jay Reatard 7" singles?

[9000]

right, everyone should know that cassingles are all the rage these days.

[tinobeat]

Aren't they kind of just shooting themselves in the foot by not giving the thing a proper CD release? I thought we'd established by now that the kids just don't care about vinyl anymore. Why else would Matador plan a a CD comp of Jay Reatard 7" singles?


Nah. They know their audience (garage rock nerds) generally prefer vinyl, and still throw the CD in so even people without a turntable can buy the CD (with free bonus LP version!)

The kids care more and more about vinyl these days.

[johansen smith]

right, everyone should know that cassingles are all the rage these days.
Srsly, I have a stack of at least two-dozen of them on my fireplace mantle. Where do these indie kids get cassettes made and why are they always spray-painted

[Brushback]

Co Co B's, "Modern Lover" (http://brushback.vox.com/library/audio/6a00d09e553660be2b00f48cfdbbcb0001.html)

Pure sticky-sweet sugary goodness.

[otto midnight]

Sorry. I keep forgetting my Britishisms don't mean anything in America.


your selling yourself short, that TOTALLY meant something over here. just something more scatological than you intended. i hope.

[Kid B]

Their 1995 album Leche Con Carne!
Yeah I'll admit it. I used to love that album in 9th grade.

[Red Medicine]

I started liking it in 5th grade. Still do today, even though my love for punk has been pretty much boiled down to the midwestern pop punk sound (Dillinger Four, The Marked Men, Chinese Telephones etc.). Anyhow, I don't think I'll ever stop listening to NUFAN as long as they're putting out albums. They sound totally refreshed on this new song, which should eliminate the "mall-punk" vibes I get on occasion when listening to their output from 2001-2006.

NUFAN - The Biggest Lie MP3 (http://www.fatwreck.com/audio_track/the_audio_file/216/No_Use_For_A_Name_Biggest_Lie.mp3)

[Brushback]

I swiped The Cosmic Psycho's "Custom Credit" off of Brushback's blog:

"You drive me up the wall/I ain't no spider!"

Cool! :)

[pizzagratis]

Carl Marshall- From the Church to the Motel

[Brushback]

Holey fk, I'm really digging these guys now.

Co Co B's, "Access to Numbers" (http://brushback.vox.com/library/audio/6a00d09e553660be2b00f48cfe07930001.html)

[bitterfruit]

U.T.F.O - Roxanne Roxanne

[bitterfruit]

The Breeders - Walk It Off

[Salman]

That entire Breeders album is fantastic.

[Brushback]

PUSA, "Mixed-Up Son of a Bitch" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Q0fpJYsCVg)

Maybe you're rolling your eyes right now, but I think this song is fricking great (and the video, too).

[johansen smith]

"Crime Wave (Crystal Castles VS HEALTH)" by Crystal Castles, though almost the whole album could fit this bill

[tinobeat]

"Hello I Love You" (Doors cover) by The Pets. Crazy bilingual vocals, and I've never heard a fuzz guitar this strange

[Dave]

Modey Lemon "Rainbow Beard"
Milk'n Cookies "Not Enough Girls (In the World)"

[tinobeat]

whoa, does this mean there might actually be a new Modey Lemon song/album in the future? Or is that a b-side I don't have?

[Dave]

whoa, does this mean there might actually be a new Modey Lemon song/album in the future? Or is that a b-side I don't have?
That song is is from a new 4 song EP ("The Birth of Jazz") that is out any day now and the new full length album("Season of Sweets") is coming out in May. They are both totally killer, even better than you are hoping.

[Moon Pix]

Pussy Galore - "Dick Johnson."

[Moon Pix]

Unsane - "Scrape."

[Moon Pix]

Pussy Galore - "Dick Johnson."

What CD is this trash rock rave up on? Are their other songs like this? Who is "Dick Johnson?" If the answer my second question is yes then how is it that one man can be a permanent fixture of more than one truly great band in his lifetime?:)

[Dave]

What CD is this trash rock rave up on? Are their other songs like this? Who is "Dick Johnson?" If the answer my second question is yes then how is it that one man can be a permanent fixture of more than one truly great band in his lifetime?:)
"Dick Johnson" is to be found on the "Dial M For Motherfucker" album. Originally released on Caroline (not sure what the deal was in the UK & Europe) records, later re-issued on Matador (North America) and Mute (UK & Europe). I'm pretty sure that it is currently out of print worldwide. There is a ton more great Pussy Galore material out there. I'd first recommend that you hear the rest of "Dial M..." and then maybe work backward from there. The "Sugarshit Sharp" EP might be my favorite record by them, but in my opinion there isn't a less than great Pussy Galore record (Even the last gasp "Historia De La Musica Rock" which I'd recommend you save for last)

I belive that Dick Johnson was a resident of Seattle.

Also I'd personally declare Jon Spencer as a permanent fixture of great music. Heavy Trash seems to be greatly misunderstood by many folks, but I thought the new record went deep. Probably way too deep into music that most folks aren't that familiar with, but it was one of my favorite and most listened to records of last year. For me that would make 3 great main bands, but why not give a shout out to the Gibson Bros. Jon wasn't the driving force behind them and I doubt their records would sound any different without him, but every record they ever made is fantastic and Jon plays on the last two ("The Man Who Love Couch Dancing" and "Memphis Sol. Today").

[9000]

For me that would make 3 great main bands, but why not give a shout out to the Gibson Bros.

make that four bands, including boss hog.

[Moon Pix]

make that four bands, including boss hog.

Shit yeah, I forgot about them.:)

Whats his missus up to anyway?

[Dave]

Shit yeah, I forgot about them.:)

Whats his missus up to anyway?
Jon and Cristina did some recording with Elizabeth from Solex. So far the only thing that has surfaced is a Monks cover on that "Silver Monk Time" tribute record.

[Moon Pix]

Jon is certainly an exception to my generally held rule that if a guy ever finds himself in a great band he never finds himself in another one.

Has one guy ever been in so many killer bands? Ive never heard Heavy Trash but if its up there with Boss Hog, Blues Explosion and (hopefully - I shall get my hands on some of that stuff you mentioned Dave!) Pussy Galore then he's basically batting 100%.:)

[tinobeat]

god bless Jon Spencer for the good works he's done in the past, but Jon Spencer is faaaar from batting 1000

Jon is certainly an exception to my generally held rule that if a guy ever finds himself in a great band he never finds himself in another one.

I'm not so sure about that rule.

[Moon Pix]

I'm not so sure about that rule.

I can't really think of too many other examples Tino. Maybe Warren Ellis for the Dirty 3 and Grinderman? There are exceptions but by and large it seems to me that people are rarely ever in more than 1 great band. Just look at Dave Grohl.

[Paul]

I can't really think of too many other examples Tino. Maybe Warren Ellis for the Dirty 3 and Grinderman? There are exceptions but by and large it seems to me that people are rarely ever in more than 1 great band. Just look at Dave Grohl.

What about The Bad Seeds?! Dang.

Also, I can't tell which Grohl band you might be slighting here. Foo Fighters? Nirvana? Queens of the Stone Age? I rather like all three.

[Moon Pix]

What about The Bad Seeds?! Dang.

Absolutely.:)

Also, I can't tell which Grohl band you might be slighting here. Foo Fighters? Nirvana? Queens of the Stone Age? I rather like all three.

The Foos. I would have assumed nothing but dislike of the Foos on this forum for some reason but you've proved me wrong Paul.;)

[tinobeat]

Within a breath we've already found two mainstream exceptions to the rule. I bet if you think about it for about 10 minutes we could find a few dozen more "exceptions"

quick list based only on things I listened to today:
John Dwyer - Coachwhips / Oh Sees / Yikes
Doug Martsch - Halo Benders / Built to Spill
Ian Svenonious - NoU / Make Up / Weird War
Paul Quattrone - Modey Lemon / Midnite Snake
Greg Ashley - The Mirrors / Gris Gris
Paul McCartney - The Beatles / Wings
Amy Linton - Henry's Dress / Aislers Set
dude who's name I forget who was in Monoshock and is now in Bad Trips
Steve Howe - Tomorrow / Yes

[Paul]

Steve Howe - Tomorrow / Yes

How dare you leave out GTR and Asia!!! (semi-kidding)

[tinobeat]

to be perfectly honest, I had no idea Steve Howe was involved in Asia (and I straight up don't know what GTR is... I didn't hang with the 80's much)!

[Brushback]

Jon is certainly an exception to my generally held rule that if a guy ever finds himself in a great band he never finds himself in another one.

What about the Squirrel Bait/King Kong/Slint guys?

Not just Grubbs, Buckler, et al-- I mean, David Pajo has played with Slint, Tortoise, Stereolab...

[Paul]

to be perfectly honest, I had no idea Steve Howe was involved in Asia (and I straight up don't know what GTR is... I didn't hang with the 80's much)!

GTR was billed as the most super awesome guitar band ever, featuring Steve Howe (Yes, etc.) and Steve Hackett (Genesis), but it was actually just some pretty bland mid-80s AOR pop (although, "When the Heart Rules the Mind" is kind of an earworm).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2Rre3O4z1g

[Dave]

I can't really think of too many other examples Tino. Maybe Warren Ellis for the Dirty 3 and Grinderman? There are exceptions but by and large it seems to me that people are rarely ever in more than 1 great band. Just look at Dave Grohl.
Moon Pix.....
Really you're just setting yourself up. Just Because Nirvana couldn't live up to Mission Impossible, well that doesn't prove anything. And let's not even get into the step down that both Pat Smear and Big John took when they joined Nirvana!?!?!

Seriously, you need to throw that theory out before you drive the regulars here batty with non-stop compulsive postings to prove that it bunk.

David Yow: Scratch Acid / The Jesus Lizard
Matt Lukin: Melvins / Mudhoney
Mark Arm: Green River / Mudhoney
Steve Turner: Green River/ Mudhoney
Tim Kerr: The Big Boys / Jack 'o Fire
Chris D.: The Flesh Eaters / Divine Horsemen
Kid Congo Powers: The Cramps / Gun Club
Nick Knox: The Electric Eels / The Cramps
Jim Jones: The Mirrors / Easter Monkeys / Pere Ubu

No really, I could totally keep going.

[Moon Pix]

And let's not even get into the step down that both Pat Smear and Big John both took to join Nirvana!?!?!

I hope you're not trying to suggest that the Germs and the Exploited were better than Nirvana?:eek:

Just Because Nirvana couldn't live up to Mission Impossible, well that doesn't prove anything.

Actually I was trying to suggest that the Foos failed to live up to Nirvana. You got my point upside down and inside out.

[vesper]

let us not forget our esteemed (but sadly past) forum contributor woxy.com who set very high bars in both the woxy staff all-stars funk band and maloze.

[tinobeat]

But at least you'll grant that suggesting a musician only has one good band in them, AS A RULE, is a pretty silly thing to say?

And yeah, Germs are at the very least as good as Nirvana.

[Moon Pix]

But at least you'll grant that suggesting a musician only has one good band in them, AS A RULE, is a pretty silly thing to say?

It was never so much a hard and fast rule as something I just tended to notice about bands. Im always willing to give peeps their due but after I noticed the career trajectory of certain people (guy forms killer band, killer band breaks up, guy forms lesser band) then I began to notice it occuring quite reguarly in music history.

[Brushback]

Freakin' Negative Element are at least as good as Nirvana, according to me.

[tinobeat]

Well, at least as regularly as musicians being involved in multiple quality projects, so..

I dunno, you think about weird things.

I'll also posit, semi-relevantly, that Nirvana is a band that has aged *terribly*.

[Moon Pix]

I dunno, you think about weird things.

OK Tino, you finally rumbled me. I am Ian Svenonious in disguise.

[Moon Pix]

I'll also posit, semi-relevantly, that Nirvana is a band that has aged *terribly*.

That because of all of those fuckers that have made a career out of ripping off Kurt Cobain and having no ideas of their own. Im talking of the Puddle of Mudds and the Feeders of the world.:mad:

[tinobeat]

If Nirvana's isn't strong enough to withstand the copying of a few bands I've never heard of (and a pile of bands I *have* heard of), then they've aged even worse than I'd imagined! By that logic The Stooges should be the oldest, moldiest sounding bands around, but somehow they manage to still sound ahead of their time.

[Moon Pix]

If Nirvana's isn't strong enough to withstand the copying of a few bands I've never heard of (and a pile of bands I *have* heard of), then they've aged even worse than I'd imagined! By that logic The Stooges should be the oldest, moldiest sounding bands around, but somehow they manage to still sound ahead of their time.

I don't know. I enjoy listening to Nirvana and get a lot from the experience. I don't enjoy listening to the Stooges and I don't get a lot from the experience. Regarding the point you've raised thats all I know and all I care about.

[tinobeat]

That's awesome, but still, I certainly don't blame bad bands that have nothing to do with Nirvana for the fact that I find their music has aged poorly.

[tinobeat]

lets get this thread back on track, though.

Blank Dogs - "Blaring Speeches" has been rippin into my head this morning.

[Moon Pix]

That's awesome, but still, I certainly don't blame bad bands that have nothing to do with Nirvana for the fact that I find their music has aged poorly.

When you say its aged badly are you talking about the production, the songs or both? A lot of people were using the Nevermind style of production back then from what Ive heard. Its only natural that if somethings very used during a certain time period anytime you hear it itll evoke that time period. Whenever you hear that horrible pow pow sound on records what do you think of immediately? Bloody disco music of course.

[tinobeat]

Nevermind's production has aged poorly, but the songs also just don't really do much anymore. In Utero still sounds totally tits, but I'm not really interested in what that record has to say on any level. Mainly, Kurt Cobain's songwriting isn't of a lasting quality.

There's some *tremendous* disco music out there.

[Moon Pix]

Mainly, Kurt Cobain's songwriting isn't of a lasting quality.

It certainly wasnt sensical or linear but then again neither is Frank Black's or Stephen Malkmus'. Its either witty wordplay or nonsensical bollocks depending on how you look at it and I don't hear people moaning about them and how their songs have lost their edge.

[otto midnight]

this thread has taken a turn for the crazy.


anyway, song i'm loving:

putty - jenny & the statesiders.

[9000]

i'm constantly amazed by the quality, production, and musicianship behind many disco records. disco can very much rule. word.

[tinobeat]

also
Boscoe - "We Ain't Free"

[Dave]

Blank Dogs - "Blaring Speeches" has been rippin into my head this morning.

Huh? Where's this from? It's like a full time job to try to keep up with the Blank Dogs.

Moon Pix - I think you know what I meant, but if I have to spell it out for you then: YES! The Germs are about 1,000,000,000 x better and more important than Nirvana. Not a matter of personal taste or opinion but a scientific fact.
The Exploited might only be just a hair better, but still better if you ask me (I don't think any scientists have taken that one on yet, but they should.)

and as Tino said back on track:
"Multiple Girls" by the Black and Whites
and
"Black Hole" by be your own PET

[Paul]

Moon Pix - I think you know what I meant, but if I have to spell it out for you then: YES! The Germs are about 1,000,000,000 x better and more important than Nirvana. Not a matter of personal taste or opinion but a scientific fact.

I refute this science! The Germs make my ears bored.

[Brushback]

I refute this science! The Germs make my ears bored.

I don't like the Germs either, and I'm practically "of that era", but I can admit that they're a very important and influential band. The Germs were originals, unlike Nirvana, who're a 10th generation copy of a copy of everything that immediately came before them. Heck, even Dave Grohl admits that they stole "Smells Like Teen Spirit" from the Pixies, and someone else pointed out that it's the riff from Boston's "More Than A Feeling" anyway. Yeah, some anthem.

[Paul]

I don't like the Germs either, and I'm practically "of that era", but I can admit that they're a very important and influential band. The Germs were originals, unlike Nirvana, who're a 10th generation copy of a copy of everything that immediately came before them. Heck, even Dave Grohl admits that they stole "Smells Like Teen Spirit" from the Pixies, and someone else pointed out that it's the riff from Boston's "More Than A Feeling" anyway. Yeah, some anthem. Well, yeah, I still like Nirvana, but you'll never see me trumpeting them as some kind of force for stunning originality in rock n' roll. I was just making the point the Germs are just as anti-influential as they are influential.

[Brushback]

Apologies, Paul, what I posted about Nirvana wasn't aimed at you.

[tinobeat]

Huh? Where's this from? It's like a full time job to try to keep up with the Blank Dogs.


Tell me about it! I guess its a leak from the new cassette on Fuckittapes, which may or may not be sold out or released or something...

normally I wouldn't tout leaks, but with BD its like the things sell out and become scarce the second he thinks of writing/recording them, its the only way I can get my hands on some of the stuff!

[otto midnight]

"Multiple Girls" by the Black and Whites




i'm still waiting on my lp :(

[Dave]

i'm still waiting on my lp :(

I got a CD in the mail yesterday, but the LPs are at Academy, I've just gotta get over there and get it!

[Salman]

Mark Arm: Green River / Mudhoney
Steve Turner: Green River/ Mudhoney
Tim Kerr: The Big Boys / Jack 'o Fire


I'd also add the Monkeywrench.

Anyway, back to the topic at hand:

Linda Scott - "Who's Been Sleeping"

[Paul]

Steve Turner: Green River/ Mudhoney

I'd also add the Monkeywrench.


Don't forget Steve Turner & His Bad Ideas.

[Dave]

I'd also add the Monkeywrench.

Anyway, back to the topic at hand:

Linda Scott - "Who's Been Sleeping"

Yeah, I almost went back and fixed that.

Speaking of: "Low On Air" from the new Monkeywrench record "Gabriel's Horn" is pretty great.

[Dave]

Don't forget Steve Turner & His Bad Ideas.

Truthfully I wasn't that into those records and I do go pretty deep. I should have listed the Fallouts, the Thrown Ups, Mr. Epp, and I'm sure I'm missing something, but I think the point that Moon Pix's theory was one of the more misguided things to pop up on these boards in long time was still illustrated rather well.

[A-Squared]

Tell me about it! I guess its a leak from the new cassette on Fuckittapes, which may or may not be sold out or released or something...

normally I wouldn't tout leaks, but with BD its like the things sell out and become scarce the second he thinks of writing/recording them, its the only way I can get my hands on some of the stuff!

The cassette on Fuckittapes is the same as the LP coming out on Troubleman (due soon?). It's a very confusing world.

[vesper]

also
Boscoe - "We Ain't Free"

i take it you have the whole album? so good. i djed "money won't save you" last friday night. and i also played lots of disco - all good, all different.

[Moon Pix]

I refute this science! The Germs make my ears bored.

I agree with Paul. Ive always thought they just a shitty punk band among 10,000 other shitty punk bands in North America at that time. If Darby was still alive we probably wouldnt be talking about them anymore than the Middle Class or the Nuns.

The Germs were originals, unlike Nirvana, who're a 10th generation copy of a copy of everything that immediately came before them.


If you want to talk about innovation evoking the Germs is pretty much as contradictory as you can get. Singer who cant sing? Check. Guitarist who thinks learning a fourth chord is musical experimentation? Check. Basssist and drummer who havent even been playing for a year yet? Check. The Stooges had already been there 10 years before so don't come at me with a load of shite about the Germs being musically radical or anything.

[tinobeat]

i take it you have the whole album? so good. i djed "money won't save you" last friday night. and i also played lots of disco - all good, all different.

Oh yeah, this LP is deadly..

[tinobeat]

If you want to talk about innovation evoking the Germs is pretty much as contradictory as you can get. Singer who cant sing? Check. Guitarist who thinks learning a fourth chord is musical experimentation? Check. Basssist and drummer who havent even been playing for a year yet? Check. The Stooges had already been there 10 years before so don't come at me with a load of shite about the Germs being musically radical or anything.

oh, Moon Pix.

How the cognitive dissonance of boosting Nirvana while typing this stuff doesn't make your head explode is beyond me.

[Moon Pix]

oh, Moon Pix.

How the cognitive dissonance of boosting Nirvana while typing this stuff doesn't make your head explode is beyond me.

Well... you know what I mean. For me personally a great band doesnt have to innovate anything to be great. The Stooges innovated nothing yet the house god here seems to be Iggy Pop. Rock n roll isnt original and to pretend a band like the Germs are innovators or musical radicals and that a band like Nirvana are third rate Pixies copyists and using that as something to undemine their music is total bullshit. If Im not correctly they both used these things called notes and these other things called chords.

The difference between me and Brushback is that I never said that Nirvana were 'originals' to use his word his word to describe the Germs. I know they sounded a lot like the Pixies. I also know that the Germs sounded fairly similar to early Damned records so there you go.

[tinobeat]

Iggy Pop wasn't the only guy in the Stooges, yanno. but anyway, my forehead is sore from this conversation, but I guess if you don't see it, you don't see it.

Lets just go back to our favorite songs of the moment...

[otto midnight]

I got a CD in the mail yesterday, but the LPs are at Academy, I've just gotta get over there and get it!


ah fuck, i pre-ordered the lp so if they've already shipped then mine probably got stolen. i fucking hate this apartment and can not wait to leave.

[otto midnight]

If Im not correctly they both used these things called notes and these other things called chords.




if only they could have used them in new or original ways.

[Moon Pix]

if only they could have used them in new or original ways.


Every chord progression has been used so I doubt there are any 'new' ones unless you do what Sonic Youth did and get into dissonance which isnt what Nirvana were about. He was deceptive. He was a punk rocker who wrote pop songs.

[vesper]

"sometimes (remix)" by brand new heavies. oh j dilla.

[Dave]

Well... you know what I mean. For me personally a great band doesnt have to innovate anything to be great. The Stooges innovated nothing yet the house god here seems to be Iggy Pop. Rock n roll isnt original and to pretend a band like the Germs are innovators or musical radicals and that a band like Nirvana are third rate Pixies copyists and using that as something to undemine their music is total bullshit. If Im not correctly they both used these things called notes and these other things called chords.

The difference between me and Brushback is that I never said that Nirvana were 'originals' to use his word his word to describe the Germs. I know they sounded a lot like the Pixies. I also know that the Germs sounded fairly similar to early Damned records so there you go.

A few things: While I certainly might not rock any of their records anytime soon or maybe ever again I've got no problem with Nirvana. If I had to choose between being a Nirvana fan and a non-fan I'd label myself a fan. I just like (ok, love) the Germs a whole lot more.

I've been known to talk about the Middle Class a lot and if needed I could go on about the Nuns as well. Maybe you figured out by now that "shitty punk" rock is one of my favorite things ever.

The Germs and the Damned sound as much alike as do Cat Power and Gillian Welch

Finally, your attack on the Germ's Muscianship is a bit skewed as well. I've got no problems with your description being applied to the "Forming" single, but I happen to think it is one of the best records in the entire history of recorded music. I also think that if you tried to apply your description of the band to (GI) it would be totally wrong.

Although I don't expect you to change your stance on anything I do hope I can persuade you to cool it with the grand pronouncements and sweeping generalizations

[Dave]

ah fuck, i pre-ordered the lp so if they've already shipped then mine probably got stolen. i fucking hate this apartment and can not wait to leave.
My CD came from the band so don't give up hope yet.

[Moon Pix]

Finally, your attack on the Germ's Muscianship is a bit skewed as well. I've got no problems with your description being applied to the "Forming" single, but I happen to think it is one of the best records in the entire history of recorded music. I also think that if you tried to apply your description of the band to (GI) it would be totally wrong.

I quite like "Ritchie Dagger's Crime." I really love the first couple of bars in particular but then Darby comes in and ruins it. Id describe what he's doing as singing but the resemblances between what he's doing and singing are vague at best.

Although I don't expect you to change your stance on anything I do hope I can persuade you to cool it with the grand pronouncements and sweeping generalizations

I shall try to control the impulse from now on.

[A-Squared]

Hearts of Animals - "Stars Say No"
Mi Ami - "African Rhythms"

That HoA song has been in my head non-stop for days, no matter what else I've listened to it can't seem to be dislodged.

[vesper]

"Black Hole" by be your own PET

i've been playing their first record a fair amount lately. i'm gonna guess that you've heard all of the new one. how does it shape up?

[Fiona]

I haven't listened to BYOP's first album in forever, but I'm listening to Get Awkward right now and early impressions are that Jemima's vocals are less wild in comparison, but it's awesome. "Black Hole" is great, but it's "What's Your Damage" that's closest to hitting the mark for me at the moment.

[Dave]

i've been playing their first record a fair amount lately. i'm gonna guess that you've heard all of the new one. how does it shape up?
Oh man, it is totally great. I think I like it even more than the first record. One of my favorite records of this so far by a long shot. The whole record is one of the best interpretations of a John Water's "Desperate Living" aesthetic that I can think of.
Bummer time: Not only is that the name of a song on the record but the word on the street is that three songs are coming off of the US version of the record due to content issues (sex, drugs and murder figure into most every song on the record.) The XL Version in the rest of the world remains the same and I've heard that those three offending songs will be released in the US as an EP in a couple of months, but it really is a shame that they aren't on the US version.

[tinobeat]

Is it still on Ecstatic Peace/Universal?

[not 'tinobeat']

been listening to:

vertical slit '17 configurations' cassette
mayo thompson 'corky's' lp reissue
blank dogs 'on two sides' cassette
electric bunnies 'chewing gum' 7" and their forthcoming 7'' on CDR
flesh eaters 'no questions asked' reissue
tommy jay 'tall tales...' lp reissue
the mantles 'burden' 7"
hubble bubble 'faking' lp

[Dave]

Is it still on Ecstatic Peace/Universal?

Yes.

[vesper]

Bummer time: Not only is that the name of a song on the record but the word on the street is that three songs are coming off of the US version of the record due to content issues (sex, drugs and murder figure into most every song on the record.) The XL Version in the rest of the world remains the same and I've heard that those three offending songs will be released in the US as an EP in a couple of months, but it really is a shame that they aren't on the US version.

...i can't figure out that logic. unless they are depending on being able to catch a wider generational market with the album and then banking on older buyers to get the EP as well, what's the point of releasing the songs separately from the album? or is this one of those things that allows them to cut the songs and fall just below a parental advisory sticker for the album?

anyway, a musical interpretation of desperate living sounds like something i'm willing to put my dollar on! i'm very excited for this record.

[Dave]

...i can't figure out that logic. unless they are depending on being able to catch a wider generational market with the album and then banking on older buyers to get the EP as well, what's the point of releasing the songs separately from the album? or is this one of those things that allows them to cut the songs and fall just below a parental advisory sticker for the album?

anyway, a musical interpretation of desperate living sounds like something i'm willing to put my dollar on! i'm very excited for this record.

I think it is closer to your second option. From what I understood it was that Universal was unable to come to terms with the lyrical content. Maybe they weren't sure that they'd be able to promote the band in the way they wanted w/those songs on the record. Weird but (supposedly) true.

[baconfat]

The radio station I DJ at has a copy of Get Awkward with 12 songs on it and a parental advisory sticker. it also has a copyright date of 2007, which is weird.

[Dave]

The radio station I DJ at has a copy of Get Awkward with 12 songs on it and a parental advisory sticker. it also has a copyright date of 2007, which is weird.
The XL Version goes like this:
1. Super Soaked
2. Black Hole
3. Heart Throb
4. Becky
5. The Kelly Affair
6. Twisted Nerve
7. Blow Yr. Mind
8. Bummer Time
9. Bitches Leave
10. You're a Waste
11. Food Fight!
12. Zombie Graveyard Party!
13. What's Your Damage?
14. Creepy Crawl
15. The Beast Within

[Miss Tasty Princess]

"Smells Like Teen Spirit" . . . someone else pointed out that it's the riff from Boston's "More Than A Feeling" anyway.
And years ago someone said Vincebus Eruptum sounds the same whether you play it frontwards or backwards. Neither assertion is valid.

[Miss Tasty Princess]

I also know that the Germs sounded fairly similar to early Damned records so there you go.
I think you need to look into getting a new set of ears. It looks like you may have let the regular maintenance on yours go ignored for so long that they are now beyond repair.

[Brushback]

And years ago someone said Vincebus Eruptum sounds the same whether you play it frontwards or backwards. Neither assertion is valid.

Give 'em a listen again!

Heck, I can pick out the similarities between the Boston and Nirvana riffs just from memory alone, without even actually listening to the songs.

By the way, are you sure it wasn't Vincebus Eruptum reads the same frontwards or backwards (or upside down)?

[Elijah]

someone else pointed out that it's the riff from Boston's "More Than A Feeling" anyway.Have you actually heard those two songs? While it is true that if you sampled both riffs, you could merge them into one super-riff that sounded cohesive, but the myriad differences between the two are pretty obvious.

[Brushback]

Apparently, Nirvana even noticed the similarities.

More Than A Feeling/Teen Spirit (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7ba2A3mtVU)

Whatever-- they're close enough to make a joke about it, anyway.

[Dave]

Thomas Function "Earthworms"

Does anyone have the Alive record yet? I've heard that it is out, but I haven't seen it yet.

[Paul]

It officially comes out Tuesday, but I've only got the mp3 they're giving away on the Alive site.

[Miss Tasty Princess]

Apparently, Nirvana even noticed the similarities.

More Than A Feeling/Teen Spirit (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7ba2A3mtVU)

Whatever-- they're close enough to make a joke about it, anyway.
Two chords out of five isn't all that close. Unless you're a rock critic with an ax to grind and a short attention span. If anything, I would think Nirvana were poking fun at the absurdity of calling SLTS a ripoff of MtaF.

[tinobeat]

I think that clip wasn't pointing out the absurdity of anything, it looked like a band having some fun with the fact that the strumming patterns of the songs are close to the same. Like Brushback said, close enough to make a joke about it!

Group Doueh - "Fagu"
Scott Walker - "The Old Man's Back Again"

[Moon Pix]

I think you need to look into getting a new set of ears. It looks like you may have let the regular maintenance on yours go ignored for so long that they are now beyond repair.

Three chord rock played fast with a guy ranting over the top.

Sounds like the Germs to me HCI. Or the first Damned album.

[awol]

Thomas Function "Earthworms"

Does anyone have the Alive record yet? I've heard that it is out, but I haven't seen it yet.
Yeah, I got a promo of it from Alive last week. (Haven't seen it at any distributors yet though.)

It is a great album! Current fav song is "Conspiracy of Praise".

[vesper]

kate simko - "clean living." wild arpeggios here.

[tinobeat]

Three chord rock played fast with a guy ranting over the top.

Sounds like the Germs to me HCI. Or the first Damned album.

Actually, that sounds like that awesome song "(You Got Me) Oversimplified" by Sweep & The Generalizations...

[vesper]

Three chord rock played fast with a guy ranting over the top.

Sounds like the Germs to me HCI. Or the first Damned album.

moon pix, you REALLY need to start considering that the factors that go into making a song special or unique almost always exceed the precise structural qualities of the song itself. there is this way of listening to music that does not entail being a robot.

and that's all i'm going to say without getting too involved.

[tinobeat]

I thought it was a cruel joke when my copy of GI had "Louie Louie" on it, 16 times in a row, but then I realized that it was just that they were all 3-chord rockers with some guy ranting over it! How do you people even tell the difference?!

[Moon Pix]

I thought it was a cruel joke when my copy of GI had "Louie Louie" on it, 16 times in a row, but then I realized that it was just that they were all 3-chord rockers with some guy ranting over it! How do you people even tell the difference?!

Well beyond all of this verbal parrying and talk of influence, originality and lack of what it pretty much comes down to for me is that I just think they were bad records and they do nothing for me and when I say that Im talking about every song on GI and anything that may come out in the future that is unknown to us at the present time.

I don't want to talk about it anymore. I may as well have wiped my arse with the £13 I gave for GI (which coincidentaly sounds like the recording budget they were given for it) and flushed it down the fucking bog. It would have made a better sound.

[Paul]

You guys all realize that Germs will be Moon Pix's favorite band ever by July, right?

[Moon Pix]

You guys all realize that Germs will be Moon Pix's favorite band ever by July, right?

I doubt it this time Paul. I havent hated a band's music so much since I heard Throbbing Gristle.

[Paul]

since I heard Throbbing Gristle.

WAHT?!?!?!

[Moon Pix]

WAHT?!?!?!

Im sure that given some of the things Ive said here in the past about music it would be as on the wall as a Banksy that Im not really keen on Throbbing Gristle.

[vesper]

you should read drew daniel's (matmos member) book on 20 jazz funk greats, it might make you think about throbbing gristle differently. unless yr dislike for the band is beyond repair, then i'd say don't bother.

[Moon Pix]

you should read drew daniel's (matmos member) book on 20 jazz funk greats, it might make you think about throbbing gristle differently. unless yr dislike for the band is beyond repair, then i'd say don't bother.

Even though I may come across as stubborn or narrow-minded at times Im always willing to be proved wrong Vesp.

[Miss Tasty Princess]

Three chord rock played fast with a guy ranting over the top.

Sounds like the Germs to me HCI. Or the first Damned album.
Or

MC5
The Saints
The Sonics
The Pagans
Crass
Kiss
Radio Birdman
The Sweet
Rudimentary Peni
Johnny Burnette and the Rock 'n Roll Trio

How the fuck can anyone tell them apart???

[vesper]

then you should read it! it's part of the 33-1/3 series, i don't know if you've heard of it. it's a very quick, engaging read, and he does an admirable job of balancing historical insight, technical information, and aesthetic interpretation. in the US the books only cost $12, so i can't imagine it's expensive where you are.

at any rate, if it doesn't convert you into a throbbing gristle fan, it might clarify the group's entire aesthetic. which is my way of saying that the appeal of throbbing gristle extends beyond the music on the CDs, it goes into the way they used iconography, the interviews they conducted, the performance art they were involved with, the position they occupied in music history, and so on. when someone hates throbbing gristle solely based on the music i think they are really missing the broader picture. so yeah, check it out!

[Moon Pix]

^
I will. I know and like that series. I thought the Loveless book was great.:)

[johansen smith]

I've got the Celine Deon 33 1/3 in my stack of books, I've heard a lot of great things

[vesper]

yeah, i've heard good things about that book too. post yr thoughts whenever you get to it.

[Moon Pix]

yeah, i've heard good things about that book too. post yr thoughts whenever you get to it.

OK Vesp, Ill read it over the next couple of days and Ill tell you what I think. Ive read it before but it was a few months ago.:)

[Moon Pix]

which is my way of saying that the appeal of throbbing gristle extends beyond the music on the CDs, it goes into the way they used iconography, the interviews they conducted, the performance art they were involved with, the position they occupied in music history, and so on.

I must admit that his Soft Focus interview is by far one of my favourite ones. He's a very interesting guy.

[Salman]

Animal Collective - "Street Flash"

[vesper]

"too high to move" by quiet village project.

[awol]

Meg Baird "Do What You Gotta Do" (Jimmy Webb cover)

[tinobeat]

Today's been all about "Genius Of Love" by the Tom Tom Club (actually, its been all about that whole record...)

[Moon Pix]

The Blitz - "Razors In the Night."

[Salman]

Samara Lubelski - "Immortal Design"

[Moon Pix]

I've got the Celine Deon 33 1/3 in my stack of books, I've heard a lot of great things

I honestly thought you where taking the piss JS but Ive just seen it at Amazon and you're not. What did they make a Celine Dion one for.:eek:

[Brushback]

The Blitz - "Razors In the Night."
I loved my Blitz records (back when I still had 'em)-- they and Cockney Rejects were my two favorite bands of that style/era...

[Moon Pix]

I generally prefer the British Oi/street punk stuff to the American Hardcore stuff. It was more musical. I honestly think it could only have come from Britain as well because a lot of its similar to football chants. Whenever I hear this song I imagine the chorus being sung on the terraces at Old Trafford or something.:)

[Brushback]

Well, American hardcore and British Oi! are two different animals (tho a bunch of US HC bands did have some elements of Oi! in them, like Negative Approach for example).

Like everything else, when the Oi! bands had all their crunching power and melody, I was really into it (like the early Blitz and Cockney Rejects stuff we're talking about). Eventually, a lot of it turned into tissue-thin Stones and glam rip-offs, and that's when I moved on to other things.

Man, it seems like explaining early ('80 - '83) U.S. hardcore involves so much of, "You hadda be there".

[Moon Pix]

Man, it seems like explaining early ('80 - '83) U.S. hardcore involves so much of, "You hadda be there".

I guess it does. I wasnt there obviously but reading about it people tend to talk about the culture around it more than they do about the actual music. Thats fine and dandy if you were there to experience it but if you werent all you have is the records and frankly I don't think that many of them hold up.

If you want to talk about records that sound dated you could could do worse than start with Damaged.

[johansen smith]

I honestly thought you where taking the piss JS but Ive just seen it at Amazon and you're not. What did they make a Celine Dion one for.:eek:
It's actually a sociological examination of the concept of "taste"-- ie it's not really in favor of the album. As I said earlier, I haven't had a chance to read it yet but it came highly recommended by people whom I trust

[Miss Tasty Princess]

I loved my Blitz records (back when I still had 'em)-- they and Cockney Rejects were my two favorite bands of that style/era...
Cockney Rejects are the world's greatest band, according to the Big Boys. But they like Joy Division and Public Image, too, even though that's not what they're supposed to do.

[Miss Tasty Princess]

I wasnt there obviously but reading about it people tend to talk about the culture around it more than they do about the actual music. Thats fine and dandy if you were there to experience it but if you werent all you have is the records and frankly I don't think that many of them hold up.

If you want to talk about records that sound dated you could could do worse than start with Damaged.
Yea! More sweeping generalizations!

As for your comment about Damaged . . . man, you come up with some humdingers. My head hurts.

[Paul]

Well, since the topic has been kind of brought up, I've always preferred the later-era, more metally, loose and fluid Rollins records to the more punky earlier records re: Black Flag. And Who's Got the 10½? is one of my favorite live recordings by any band ever.

[Miss Tasty Princess]

Ouch

[Brushback]

Funny, I kinda liked Who's Got The 10-1/2?, too-- I had a week way back when, when I played it a lot... sold it quick, though.

[pizzagratis]

If you want to talk about records that sound dated you could could do worse than start with Damaged.

Loose Nut on the other hand remains timeless...

Yeah, that and I don't really agree with that statement at all. Might not be so up on a lot of the newer stuff, but to these ears, Damaged still sounds pretty fresh fun to me. Yeah, some punk definitely sounds 'of the era' -even though I like 'em, earlier Agent Orange and Adolescents might be good examples of this-, but in my opinion, it only adds to the charm.

[Miss Tasty Princess]

I saw them on that tour and they were depressingly bad. Thankfully, I saw them several times before that, starting when Damaged came out. The twin guitar line-up with Dez on rhythm and Chuck on bass was balls-out incredible. When I saw them in the stretch between Damaged and My War, they did two sets. The first was mostly fast and the second mostly crawling. Interestingly, songs that would later end up on My War were played at both high and low speeds. Wish I had a recording of that night!

[Patrick]

I saw them on that tour and they were depressingly bad. Thankfully, I saw them several times before that, starting when Damaged came out. The twin guitar line-up with Dez on rhythm and Chuck on bass was balls-out incredible.

I saw them on that tour too - the 5 piece with Dez on guitar and Henry on vocals right? Spring 1983? One of the greatest shows I've ever seen. I believe the Nig Heist opened, with the bass player nude? And perhaps the (quite early) Meat Puppets in between?

[Miss Tasty Princess]

I saw them on that tour too - the 5 piece with Dez on guitar and Henry on vocals right? Spring 1983? One of the greatest shows I've ever seen. I believe the Nig Heist opened, with the bass player nude? And perhaps the (quite early) Meat Puppets in between?
Nope, that was a later tour, ca. Slip It In, with Kira on bass and Dez gone. Curt of the MPs had his long hair died green. The Nig Heist did, indeed, feature a naked bassist. They also featured a boring performance. I think that was the second tour I saw them on after Kira joined. The show was in the rec hall at a church in downtown D.C. and some idiots took it upon themselves to smash the marble stall walls in the mens' room. Very punk rock. :rolleyes: Other memories of that night: getting in between two guys fighting and pushing them apart, talking with future rock star Ian Svevonius while waiting to get in. He was all of 15-years-old and a nice kid (that wasn't the only time we chatted).

The tour recorded for Whose Got the 10½? was several years (and band members) later.

[vesper]

I honestly thought you where taking the piss JS but Ive just seen it at Amazon and you're not. What did they make a Celine Dion one for.:eek:

when i said upthread that i heard good things about "this" book i was actually referring to the celine dion one that johansen mentioned, not the loveless book, which i've heard nothing about. carl wilson is a very good writer when he isn't humoring sasha frere-jones.

also if hci would just post some more 80s concert memories, i would never have to worry about contributing to the reading pile thread.

[Moon Pix]

As for your comment about Damaged . . . man, you come up with some humdingers. My head hurts.

How exactly doesnt Damaged sound dated? To these ears it sure doesnt sound like it was made last year. It couldnt sound more dated if they'd called it Fuck Reagan instead.

Personally Ive always preferred their pre-Rollins records. Dez was my favourite Black Flag singer.

[Paul]

How exactly doesnt Damaged sound dated?


Personally Ive always preferred their pre-Rollins records. Dez was my favourite Black Flag singer.

Yes, friends. These two statements were in a single post by a single person.

[Miss Tasty Princess]

How exactly doesnt Damaged sound dated? To these ears it sure doesnt sound like it was made last year. It couldnt sound more dated if they'd called it Fuck Reagan instead.
That'd make as much sense as the Buzzcocks naming a record Margaret Thatcher's Smelly Twat.

[9000]

i could imagine a moon pix-henry rollins conversation going down something like this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_3g4QPojMc).

[Moon Pix]

i could imagine a moon pix-henry rollins conversation going down something like this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_3g4QPojMc).

Why didnt that kid do his research before he went to do that interview?

[Moon Pix]

Yes, friends. These two statements were in a single post by a single person.

I just prefer Dez's voice Paul. Im allowed my own tastes I hope.

Why is it that I always get involved in this battles on this board? You've gotta remember that I wasnt there and you lot all were. Im going to see it differently to you lot and have a different opinion about it.

[vesper]

i don't think that anyone is complaining about yr opinion per se, i think it is that you often express yr opinion through contradictions and non-sequiturs, and that you do it all stridently. for example, what paul quoted. and that thing about fuck reagan, it just doesn't make sense.

[Patrick]

Nope, that was a later tour, ca. Slip It In, with Kira on bass and Dez gone.

No, definitely not - I also saw Black Flag on the My War and Slip It In tours, with Kira, Bill et. al. ... the one I'm thinking about is Damaged era, with Chuck, Dez and most likely Robo. Will consult online sources.

[Patrick]

Well, it appears the Sluts played, not the Meat Puppets... but it was definitely the Nig Heist:

http://www.dementlieu.com/users/obik/arc/blackflag/83/live0130.html

January 30, 1983

[Moon Pix]

for example, what paul quoted.

I don't think its a contradiction to both say you think Damaged is dated and that The First Four Years is your favourite Black Flag record. Stylistically they are obviously very similar but I just think that compilation, although equally as dated sounding, is a more consistent record in terms of the songs. When I listen to Damaged I hear about half a dozen really fucking good songs and half a dozen lesser copies of those fucking good songs.

Also, when I say something is dated I don't mean that I don't like it. I just mean that it sounds of its time. To me Damaged doesnt sound like a timeless record. It sounds like a record from the '80s just as much as Sgt Pepper sounds like a record from the '60s. That what I meant when I said they may as well have called it Fuck Reagan.

[Miss Tasty Princess]

Well, it appears the Sluts played, not the Meat Puppets... but it was definitely the Nig Heist:

http://www.dementlieu.com/users/obik/arc/blackflag/83/live0130.html

January 30, 1983
Well, then. See, you threw me off with the MPs. I saw the BF/Sluts/NH show in DC on that tour but I don't recall the exact date. The Sluts record, 12" of Sluts, is one of my favorites of that era.

Here's the show I was thinking of:

[Moon Pix]

How much would $7.50 be worth now?

[Paul]

For a show like that? About $7.50

(Assuming we're talking about the modern day equivalent of those bands--ones with small but devoted followings, but little to no mainstream appeal or recognition. If we were talking about reunions of these bands in particular, it would probably be about $50.00.)

[johansen smith]

Hey guys, I'm listening to a song

[Paul]

Is it a song your lovin'?

[9000]

Is it a song your lovin'?

or more like U R lovin'?

[Patrick]

Well, then. See, you threw me off with the MPs. I saw the BF/Sluts/NH show in DC on that tour but I don't recall the exact date. The Sluts record, 12" of Sluts, is one of my favorites of that era.

You're right, I interpolated the Meat Puppets in from a subsequent tour (but I'm pretty sure it was the My War tour, not the Slip It In tour, at least in Boston)...

The Sluts were great! That was the 12" EP with the pink cover right? One of the only punk / hardcore bands from New Orleans of that period, if I remember correctly.

[Miss Tasty Princess]

Pink cover and raunchy music! Definitely one of the trashiest hardcore records in my collection. The only big NO punk band were The Red Rockers, I think, and they were pretty weak, from what I recall.

[Miss Tasty Princess]

Why is it that I always get involved in this battles on this board? You've gotta remember that I wasnt there and you lot all were.
Aside from Gerard, Patrick and me, I'm not sure any of the rest of the regular board members were there.

BTW, Dez is also my favorite BF vocalist, even if he sang on only eight songs (not counting the Everything Went Black compilation). Musically, though, the best stuff was with Hank on the mic.

[otto midnight]

song i'm bananas about recently

can't explain - love

[Fiona]

Duffy - "Mercy"

[vesper]

kid sister - "pro nails"

[Moon Pix]

Aside from Gerard, Patrick and me, I'm not sure any of the rest of the regular board members were there.

BTW, Dez is also my favorite BF vocalist, even if he sang on only eight songs (not counting the Everything Went Black compilation).

What happened to him after Black Flag?

[Miss Tasty Princess]

He had a hard rock power trio called DC3 (Dez Cadena 3). I saw them once and they were OK. They released at least two or three albums on SST.

After that, he had a group called Vida but I've not heard 'em.

[Moon Pix]

Johnny Cash - "Wreck of the Old 97."

[Dave]

Air Miami - Airplane Rider

[Fiona]

Strawberry Whiplash - "Who's In Your Dreams?"

[A-Squared]

Neil Young - "L.A."

Every year around this time, this song gets lodged in my head and makes me break out Time Fades Away again.

[Dave]

Thomas Function - "Peanut Butter & Paranoia Jam"

Well every song on "Celebration" really, I've listened to the whole album about 5 times since Saturday and I'm pretty excited about it overall.

[Moon Pix]

The 13th Floor Elevators - "You're Gonna Miss Me" and "Reverberation."

They would have benefited I feel from being recorded better but you just can't argue with the songs.:)

[Paul]

The 13th Floor Elevators - "You're Gonna Miss Me" and "Reverberation."

They would have benefited I feel from being recorded better but you just can't argue with the songs.:)
I dunno, all the 13FE stuff has had the hell remastered out of it at this point, and now sounds pretty good to my ears.

[Moon Pix]

I dunno, all the 13FE stuff has had the hell remastered out of it at this point, and now sounds pretty good to my ears.

We might have different editions. The one Ive got is the CD on Charly Records (http://www.snappermusic.com/Labels/Charly/Artists/13th+Floor+Elevators%2c+The/item10494?startPos=). It sounds pretty poor to my ears even though its supposedly been remastered.

Is there a better version out there on CD because as it stands I love the songs but I don't love the record?

[tinobeat]

Its so weird how much old recording techniques hang you up, moonie! Of COURSE it could have been recorded "better", but why lament what can't or didn't happen? Those records didn't become magical classic despite the recording quality, they became magic and are all time classics forever.. as they are. Those recordings capture something beautiful, and in a beautiful way. So it sounds a little rough, or not much like anything else, what's the problem? Judge things for what they are, not what theyr'e not.

The fact that the drums other than the hi-hat are mere suggestions and the bass something of a rumor on Easter Everywhere isn't "ideal," sure, but it doesn't take away a single thing, and there's an atmosphere on that record that I don't think could have happened if people had worried too much about recording it "right".

I mean, do you wish that Monet had painted with a little more precision and realism?

[Elijah]

While I can't speak to the quality of Moonpix's 13th Floor Elevators CD, I have gotten a few reissues on Charly — typically issued in the 80s, and with horrible packaging — that sounded incredibly flat. That's probably more of a mastering thing than it is a recording thing, but worth mentioning.

[Miss Tasty Princess]

Less music talk
More fighting!

[tinobeat]

While I can't speak to the quality of Moonpix's 13th Floor Elevators CD, I have gotten a few reissues on Charly — typically issued in the 80s, and with horrible packaging — that sounded incredibly flat. That's probably more of a mastering thing than it is a recording thing, but worth mentioning.


That's totally possible, and I'll grant that, I guess I'm just going with Moon Pix's history of lamenting idiosyncratic recording styles, wondering why they can't just be "better".

My Get Back! "lo-cost" vinyl editions of the 13FE albums sound good enough to my ears, though I tend to be a lot more forgiving in general.

[tinobeat]

Less music talk
More fighting!

SHUT IT, TURDFACE

[tinobeat]

aaaand today's sweet song is:

"Run That Shit" - Edan

[Moon Pix]

That's totally possible, and I'll grant that, I guess I'm just going with Moon Pix's history of lamenting idiosyncratic recording styles, wondering why they can't just be "better".

I agree with you Tino. I tend to be less forgiving than a lot of you MBB'ers when it comes to the sound quality of records. The lo-fi aesthetic doesnt appeal to me particuarly. If you really truly believe in your music why wouldnt you want to present it with the highest clarity you can afford? Why hide things under tape hiss or fuzz? Its kind of like painting a masterpiece, taking an out of focus polaroid of it and then taking your lighter to the original and torching it.

Rock music usually benefits from more punch. Folkies recording themselves in their bedrooms with TASCAM 4-tracks, the Smog's of the world, can get away with things a full band can't when it comes to clarity. Most of the time lo-fidelity has the effect of dulling everything and taking away the punch of the music. There are obvious exceptions. "Dick Johnson" by Pussy Galore sounds fine as it is and I wouldnt change anything about it. Thats the exception that proves the rule for me though. Typically when I define lo-fi Im talking about a lack of clarity. Thats why I can never understand people describing The Velvet Underground & Nico as being an early example of lo-fi. OK granted, it didnt cost a lot to record but you CAN hear everything clearly and its a well mixed record. To me thats the minimum requirement of a record - to present the songs so you can actually hear them properly. Even Crass' records, as thin sounding as they are, present everyting so that you can hear whats going on. Its not just a flat, grey blur.

It doesnt really have anything to do with old recording techniques either. Just to give some indication of what I mean, one of my favourite albums ever in terms of recording is Television's Adventure a beautifully recorded album that just happens to be a classic piece of songwriting too. If you read my posts in the listening threads you'll notice that its pretty rare I get enthused about a record released in the past 5 years enough to post about it. The newness of things doesnt bother me. In the typical year I might only listen to 2 or 3 records that came out that year. Ive never pretended to any of you that I know whats going on in the music world because I don't and it doesnt really interest me either. I can get just as excited by something released 40 years ago because its new to me if Ive never heard it before.

[Dave]

SHUT IT, TURDFACE

I think you have him confused w/Mr. Anus

[tinobeat]

Dave, you're totally right about that Thomas Function record. Its really pickin up steam with me...

[Paul]

Rock music usually benefits from more punch. If every album ever released sounded like the first B-52's record, the world would be perfect in my eyes. But since that's not the case, I've learned to be forgiving and sometimes even embrace things that sound muddy, sound trebly or even "cheap" if the songs are worth loving.

[vesper]

diskjokke - "some signs are good" - YOWZA.

[tinobeat]

Though I haven't heard it in months, "Portals" by Psychedelic Horseshit has been stuck in my head for days.

[Kid B]

De Novo Dahl- sky is falling

[Moon Pix]

Crass - "Big A Little A."

[Paul]

Crass - "Big A Little A." I love that one of your biggest gripes about some music is shitty fidelity, but then you go nuts over a Crass song.

[Moon Pix]

I love that one of your biggest gripes about some music is shitty fidelity, but then you go nuts over a Crass song.

This is just too good though. Its so good it goes beyond fidelity. Plus Im guessing this song is fom their later period because it sounds considerably better than their earlier ones. Everything is very clear and it sounds more time was spent on the mixin and EQing to me. Its not just all treble and buzz.

[Dave]

The Hex Dispensers - "Taxidermy Porno"

[otto midnight]

The Hex Dispensers - "Taxidermy Porno"

i was listening to this last night! and i'm wearing my hex dispensers t-shirt today.

[Paul]

That Jaguar Love song from the Matablog is pretty rad.

[pabost]

That Jaguar Love song from the Matablog is pretty rad.

I totally agree! I like the interplay b/w the lead and harmonic vocal on the verse. Great signing.