Pavement vinyl

[Patrick]

HQ-180 reissues of Slanted & Enchanted and Crooked Rain now available at the store.

Deluxe vinyl on the horizon, finally.

[kdart91]

Hi Patrick,

Is the second part of the post mean what I think it means...Mission of Burma style vinyl only re-issues of the Pavement deluxe packages? Also, any plans to reissue Terror Twilight and Brighten in HQ-180?

Thanks much

[Patrick]

Hi kdart91,

That's exactly right... but I think we will do 120 gram (still HQ vinyl at RTI) to make it a little more realistic pricewise (not to mention shipping weight, fitting 4 LPs into the package etc.!)

Yes, all the Pavement records on track for repress.

PA

[Fiona]

Oh gosh, that's brilliant. Fancy starting at the end and working back? I'm desperate for a copy of TT on vinyl.

[stevethehouse]

http://www.amazon.com/Brighten-Corners-Nicene-Creedence-Ed/dp/B0026T4RS4/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1240327075&sr=1-4

[anazgnos]

I wonder if that has gone through an analog mastering process like the Burma reissues, or whether the overly-hot clipped CD mix is being used?

[Jesper]

The CD doesn't clip, this has already been discussed here. Yes the CD is louder than the original version, but it doesn't clip nor is it overly hot.

The LP will sound quite different, it wasn't done 100% old skool analog like the Burma reissues but indeed, it will be much lower in volume than the CD.

[kdart91]

Will the Pavement deluxe records be retailing for around $75, as seen on Amazon?

[Patrick]

Yes. We'll have pictures and a preorder link up shortly. Price will be better from indies and from us directly.

[tinobeat]

Whoa, it just dawned on me what "deluxe vinyl" in this context actually means.

[Fiona]

Whoa, it just dawned on me what "deluxe vinyl" in this context actually means.
Empty pockets?

[baconfat]

according to an email i got from Insound re: the BTC 4LP:

The vinyl edition of this album also contains eight extra tracks not on the CD, five of which are previously unreleased and including the track "Agony of the Stars."

i'm REALLY hoping there's going to be a way for the fans to obtain those tracks (especially the five unreleased ones) without having to pony up for the entire set.

glad to see "agony of the stars" from the janeane garofalo blockbuster sweethearts is going to finally see the light of day.

[sashwap]

matador, throw us BEGN people a bone here! and by 'bone' i mean some mp3s

[Benjamin]

This may be the first Pavement product that I don't buy.

[Elijah]

It’d be kinda cool if the BEGN folks could be able to download the newly added bonus tracks — even for a nominal fee, and even if not until a few months after the vinyl reissue came out — but yeah. At this point in my life, I’ve spent somewhere in the neighborhood of $75 on multiple copies of Brighten the Corners and its relevant b-sides and compilation tracks. I can’t even contemplate doubling that figure — impeccable remastering/deluxe packaging notwithstanding — less than a year after buying an almost identical CD reissue.

[tinobeat]

Yeah, not to get all stevethehouse whiny on this, but it would have been awesome to know this was in the works back when the CD reish was forthcoming, I would have probably waited for the vinyl reissue and spent the money. Not sure if I can justify another $75, which makes me bummed. I definitely would have justified it before buying the 2CD.

[Fiona]

Same goes for me - it's just too much of an outlay on an album I already have two copies of, as well as all the single releases from.

I'm wondering - at what section of the market is this aimed?

[Salman]

Same goes for me - it's just too much of an outlay on an album I already have two copies of, as well as all the single releases from.

I'm wondering - at what section of the market is this aimed?

Yeah, I'm wondering the same thing. I'm assuming people who are Pavement completest will buy the album again for the third or fourth time but other than that I don't know. I really can't justify spending more money on another BTC reissue. I'm hoping like the rest of you that these bonus tracks come our way somehow.

[stevethehouse]

I'm wondering - at what section of the market is this aimed?

People who can't resist having their music in big fancy boxes

[stevethehouse]

[QUOTE=tinobeat;73715]Yeah, not to get all stevethehouse whiny on this, but.../QUOTE]

Good form

[Patrick]

Guys: Sorry. If it had been possible, we would have released this simultaneously with the CD version. But that wasn't possible - it required an enormous extra amount of work to lay this out in the package required, to resequence, cut the 4 LPs etc. During this time additional tracks were discovered from the period, and it seemed a shame to leave them off the record.

We have been planning to release the deluxe Pavement records on vinyl for some time now, and originally we hoped to put out all four of them at the same time as Brighten. This turned out to be too ambitious, especially in the midst of our heavy release schedule last fall.

Then it turned out that the packages were going to be extremely expensive to produce. This in turn means high retail prices. Since we were furthest along with Brighten, we decided to go ahead and finish that one first. We will see how it performs, and if it does not sell, then we won't do the other three. Unfortunately, that's the reality of the economics.

Who is this aimed at? Everyone who requested it - and we have been bombarded with requests, both on the board and off. if you don't want to buy a version of Brighten for a third time, I don't blame you. However it's worth pointing out that Brighten Deluxe on CD sold about 1/4 of the original version (we had much higher take-up for the previous three, even though Wowee originally sold less). That means there should still be a sizable percentage of Brighten fans who might want to invest in a vinyl version, or who are waiting for a vinyl version.

As for providing CD purchasers with MP3s of the extra tracks - we will consider it. Right now our focus has to be on recouping some of the huge expense of producing this beast.

[Fiona]

Since we were furthest along with Brighten, we decided to go ahead and finish that one first. We will see how it performs, and if it does not sell, then we won't do the other three. Unfortunately, that's the reality of the economics.

While I understand your reasons for carrying on with BTC, it's a pity that it's the first one to be released. I could be wrong but I think for a lot of folk BTC just doesn't hold the same classic status that S+E or Crooked Rain do. On a personal level I'd be far more inclined to splash out again for those two; not just because both rank amongst my favourite albums of all time, but because sufficient time has passed since the first deluxe repackaging for me to consider another version. It's just too close on the heels of the cd reissue for me to consider that amount of money. (Also it so happens my vinyl copy of S+E is a bit battered and not a great pressing - it could actually use replacing :p) In looking at the economics of it I think you're missing the psychology of it.
Who is this aimed at? Everyone who requested it - and we have been bombarded with requests, both on the board and off. if you don't want to buy a version of Brighten for a third time, I don't blame you. However it's worth pointing out that Brighten Deluxe on CD sold about 1/4 of the original version (we had much higher take-up for the previous three, even though Wowee originally sold less). That means there should still be a sizable percentage of Brighten fans who might want to invest in a vinyl version, or who are waiting for a vinyl version.
If you don't mind me saying, I think you're a bit off the mark here. Obviously I don't have the insight into consumer demand you do, but I would have thought that each and every one of us who is in fact shrinking away from this is your target market. Pavement is one of my favourite bands. I have more records by Pavement than any other band. Basically I am NUTS about Pavement and (almost) a completist, yet I'm balking at this for the reasons already mentioned. Again I could be misreading things from a personal and sentimental point of view, but I would wonder if the reason the take-up for the BTC reissue was lower than the three prior releases is that the others are more fan-favourites? Of course for the sake of your investment in the project I hope I'm wrong, and for my own sake because I'd love to see vinyl reissues of the first two albums.

[Patrick]

Hi Fiona,

You may well be right. Unfortunately this is the way the chips fell - there are so many inputs into a project like this, and because we were trying to get this one done to go simultaneous with the CD, it was the first one that could be ready any time soon after that.

I take your points about Slanted and Crooked, but as I wrote above, Brighten has always sold more than Wowee. Wowee continues to get accolades from contrarians and a certain segment of the press, but it was a surprise that Brighten Deluxe didn't at least match Wowee Deluxe's sales. Perhaps people are just burning out on the deluxe reissues as a concept.

It was particularly surprising to me since the Brighten deluxe package offers so much more, musically speaking, than the Wowee extras. Maybe people felt burned by those? The problem there was that so much of what constitutes the extra material on each record - demos, raw takes etc. ended up on Crooked Deluxe, because that's what Wowee was originally formed from.

Btw, this all really makes me fear for the sales of Terror Deluxe.

[tinobeat]

I think Deluxe Fatigue might be a real thing, I know I started to get a little wary being in Newbury Comics a coupla days ago and there were literally a dozen or more $70+ multi-LP "definitive issue" sets, and it just seemed funny, especially when half of them were for albums released in the past year (but that's a different story). But honestly, everything you posted above makes perfect sense, Patrick, and I have no problem with it. My only sadness came from the fact that it definitely seemed like it was emphasized that there was no chance these would hit wax, so I grabbed the CD versions, while I certainly would have waited had there been any indication these would exist on vinyl.

That said, I'll disagree with Fiona and say that BTC is definitely the best of the reissue sets, even if its the weakest of the albums, paradoxically. Wowee Zowee is pretty unequivocally my favorite Pavement record, but the extra material doesn't really add a ton. BTC always baffled me because I liked the record enough (even Pave's weakest is still better than most bands' strongest), the b-sides and extras I heard always blew the doors off of anything on the record. So if any of these deserve XXXTRA DELUXXX vinyl, I'd say the BTC b-sides and extras do.

[Paul]

I guess this isn't really the ideal place to argue this point, but Brighten is by far my favorite Pavement album (and I'd been with them since Crooked was brand new). It's also the only one of the reissue cd sets I've bought because everything they did in that specific era just seems so charged up and joyous to me.

Okay, just had to say that. I hate to see my favorite Pavement record getting little more than backhanded compliments. grr.

[Fiona]

That said, I'll disagree with Fiona and say that BTC is definitely the best of the reissue sets, even if its the weakest of the albums, paradoxically.

Nope, I think BTC is the weaker of the original albums reissued to date, not the weakest reissued package.

[Funk]

I take your points about Slanted and Crooked, but as I wrote above, Brighten has always sold more than Wowee. Wowee continues to get accolades from contrarians and a certain segment of the press, but it was a surprise that Brighten Deluxe didn't at least match Wowee Deluxe's sales. Perhaps people are just burning out on the deluxe reissues as a concept.


Wowee was my favourite upon release in the spring of 1995, and for everyone in my circle, it and Slanted were THE Pavement records to have. I remember getting on the Internet in 1996/1997 and being very surprised that Crooked Rain was even in the running, let alone considered the favourite (and I say this as even though CRCR is the only Pave record I have on LP and CD). I don't feel like a contrarian, it's just that if you heard it a certain way, as all my friends did (3-sided LP), it totally makes sense. It seems to me a lot of people bitch about the sequencing on the CD; didn't Tinobeat change his tune on the album after hearing it this way? </offence at being called a "contrarian">

As for the statement that maybe some people are waiting for the vinyl, I dunno Patrick, I honestly think that you're over-estimating how much of a demand there is for BTC. I'm someone who has the Drag City EPs, S&E and its singles and the "Stray Slack" bootleg LP, both formats of CRCR, WZ, etc., all of which I bought when they were new releases. I didn't buy BTC until 2000, and even then I only finally gave in for completist purposes when I found a cheap used vinyl copy (and possibly because TT made me think maybe the previous album wasn't as bad as I'd remembered). I doubt I've played it more than once. It's just not a very good album (sorry Paul).

[tinobeat]

Nope, I think BTC is the weaker of the original albums reissued to date, not the weakest reissued package.

Ah, right, I misunderstood..

[tinobeat]

I don't feel like a contrarian, it's just that if you heard it a certain way, as all my friends did (3-sided LP), it totally makes sense. It seems to me a lot of people bitch about the sequencing on the CD; didn't Tinobeat change his tune on the album after hearing it this way? </offence at being called a "contrarian">

Actually, it was always my favorite, and when I was listening to it on CD I had no idea it was a 3-sided affair, but I always thought of it as a 3-movement album, and I was really pleased to find that the three movements perfectly corresponded to the sides when I finally got it on vinyl, which only cemented its place as one of the best records ever.

[stevethehouse]

I totally agree with what Fiona said above. I think it would be a shame that the likelyhood of all 4 deluxe albums being re-issued would rest on the success of this re-issue.

I wouldn't think twice about buying S&E and CR,CR in this form, but this BTC set is coming wayyyy too soon after the CD re-issue and like others have said it would have been nice to have known that this was coming out, otherwise I wouldn't have purchased the CD and I would have waited for this instead.

I'm kind of worried now about the S&E & CR,CR re-issues because I really don't expect this thing to sell well.

[Seneschal Gox]

To everyone who told me to go buy a record player because they're so very affordable:

Come on, it's just one record. Any real Pavement fan would buy it. :p

Suckers.

[Paul]

Uh, I don't think that's what ANYONE is complaining about here.

[Seneschal Gox]

Really? Not ANYONE, Paul?

At this point in my life, I’ve spent somewhere in the neighborhood of $75 on multiple copies of Brighten the Corners and its relevant b-sides and compilation tracks. I can’t even contemplate doubling that figure — impeccable remastering/deluxe packaging notwithstanding — less than a year after buying an almost identical CD reissue.

Not sure if I can justify another $75, which makes me bummed. I definitely would have justified it before buying the 2CD.

Same goes for me - it's just too much of an outlay on an album I already have two copies of, as well as all the single releases from.

I really can't justify spending more money on another BTC reissue. I'm hoping like the rest of you that these bonus tracks come our way somehow.

Now, see, these are the exact same things I was saying about being a loyal Matador customer and getting the shaft on a vinyl-only Pavement Live release. I was told to go buy a record player.

To see the same people (I'm looking at you tino "real music fans own record players" beat) complaining about price points and buying the same shit all over again is ironic, to say the very least.

[tinobeat]

To everyone who told me to go buy a record player because they're so very affordable:

Come on, it's just one record. Any real Pavement fan would buy it. :p

Suckers.

You SHOULD buy a record player. And you should also read what people wrote, it helps when trying to deliver relevant zingers.

[tinobeat]

To see the same people (I'm looking at you tino "real music fans own record players" beat) complaining about price points and buying the same shit all over again is ironic, to say the very least.

You use this word "ironic", I'm not sure it means what you think it means.

I would have waited to buy BTC on vinyl had I known. I didn't know, so I bought the CD. I'm not sure at all how this relates to you crying over the Pavement Live LP.

[ANEWMAN35]

Maybe Matador has research that goes against this, I dunno, but I wonder if the sales being down has anything to do with the economy. I know personally, I bought the first three and love them, and am dying to get the last one, but I;ve been laid off twice since July and now am working, but making a lot less than I was, so buying ANY music is way down on my list. I doubt I'm the only one.

[Elijah]

No shit. I’ve certainly been spending less money on music lately. I’ve been spending less money on everything.

[Draper]

I think it would be a shame that the likelyhood of all 4 deluxe albums being re-issued would rest on the success of this re-issue.

I wouldn't think twice about buying S&E and CR,CR in this form, but this BTC set is coming wayyyy too soon after the CD re-issue and like others have said it would have been nice to have known that this was coming out, otherwise I wouldn't have purchased the CD and I would have waited for this instead.

I'm kind of worried now about the S&E & CR,CR re-issues because I really don't expect this thing to sell well.

Completely agree with the above.

Hi all, first post here but owner of many Matador CD's and records. Count me in with those very disappointed about how this turned out. I got the CD reissue, but would vastly prefer to own the vinyl edition, as it sounds like the mastering will be better and vinyl is my usual first choice for most music I buy. Unfortunately I have zero interest in upping my investment in this one single album to over the $100 mark! Just. No. Way.

The one small bright side to this whole mess is how refreshing it is to see a label representative actually engage with their grumpy audience, even if it means taking their lumps to a certain extent.

[stevethehouse]

<cynical rant> I won't be surprised when Matador was all of a sudden able to procure the rights to "For Sale" just in time for the vinyl release. Just like they "just discovered" a song that was featured in a movie in 1996. </cynical rant>

[matth]

Brighten the Corners: Nicene Creedence Ed. Limited Edition 4LP Set:

LP1 (Original Album, released February 1997)

01 Stereo
02 Shady Lane / J Vs. S
03 Transport Is Arranged
04 Date w/IKEA
05 Old To Begin
06 Type Slowly
07 Embassy Row
08 Blue Hawaiian
09 We Are Underused
10 Passat Dream
11 Starlings of the Slipstream
12 Fin

LP2

01 And Then (The Hexx) 7" Version (Originally released as the B-side to "Spit On A Stranger" May 1999)
02 Beautiful As A Butterfly
03 Cataracts
04 Embassy Row Psych Intro
05 Nigel
06 Chevy (Old To Begin) (Previously Unreleased mix of a BTC session song, featuring different vocals overdubs)
07 Roll With The Wind (Roxy) (Previously Unreleased mix of a BTC session song, featuring different vocals overdubs)
08 Westie Can Drum (Elastica) (Previously Unreleased mix of a BTC session track)
09 Stereo (Remix) (Remixed by Steve Fisk)
10 Birds in the Majic Industry (Previously unreleased full length vocal version)
11 An Then (The Hexx) (Unedited full version of the "Spit on Stranger" 7" B-Side, as such previously unreleased, originally was supposed to be opening track of BTC)

LP3

01 Agony of the Stars (Recorded for the film Sweethearts)
02 Westie Can Drum
03 Winner of The
04 Birds in the Majic Industry (Originally released as the B-sides to "Stereo" January 1997)
05 Harness Your Hopes
06 Roll With The Wind (Originally released as the B-sides to "Spit On A Stranger" May 1999)
07 Slowly Typed
08 Cherry Area (Originally released as the B-sides to "Shady Lane" June 1997)
09 Wanna Mess You Around
10 No Tan Lines (Originally released as the B-sides to "Shady Lane" June 1997)
11 Oddity (Originally appeared on the God Save The Clean - A Tribute To The Clean album, 1997)
12 Date w/IKEA
13 Fin
14 Grave Architecture
15 The Classical (Recorded for Radio 1's John Peel Show at BBC's Maida Vale Studio 4, 1997)

LP4

01 And Then (The Hexx)
02 Harness Your Hopes
03 The Killing Moon
04 Winner of the (Recorded for Radio 1's Evening Session at BBC's Maida Vale Studios)
05 Type Slowly (Live) (Originally appeared on the compilation album "Tibetan Freedom Concert" 1997)
06 Neil Haggerty Meets Jon Spencer in a Non-Alcoholic Bar
07 Painted Soldiers
08 Destroy Mater Dei
09 What Goes On
10 Kris Kraft
11 It's a Rainy Day Sunshine Girl
12 Maybe Maybe (Recorded live at KCRW's Morning Becomes Eclectic program, 1997)
13 Space Ghost Theme I
14 Space Ghost Theme II (Unreleased songs recorded live at WFNX, 1997)

the bonuses are basically the full KCRW session, plus 'agony of the stars'.

[sashwap]

It was particularly surprising to me since the Brighten deluxe package offers so much more, musically speaking, than the Wowee extras. Maybe people felt burned by those? The problem there was that so much of what constitutes the extra material on each record - demos, raw takes etc. ended up on Crooked Deluxe, because that's what Wowee was originally formed from.

i definitely didn't feel burned by WZ. that is a great reissue, and the extras (even the b-sides that i already owned) are uniformly great. only downside was that "strayfire" didn't sound much better than the bootlegged version, but oh well.


Btw, this all really makes me fear for the sales of Terror Deluxe.

i'm pretty excited about this one, personally. i think all pavement's albums are more or less the same quality, but BTC and TT were most in need of a critical re-evaluation. i can't wait until all five reissues are sitting next to each other on my shelf, and i imagine that anyone who's purchased the previous four will buy the final one.

[tinobeat]

<cynical rant> I won't be surprised when Matador was all of a sudden able to procure the rights to "For Sale" just in time for the vinyl release. Just like they "just discovered" a song that was featured in a movie in 1996. </cynical rant>

um... OK?

Why do you even bother following this label if it makes you so endlessly cynical and negative?

[johansen smith]

I've always thought that BTC had hands-down the best b-sides in a career full of truly killer outtakes, so all I can chalk the deluxe edition's low sales to are the sort of lack of emotional attachment the causal fans have to BTC-- just anecdotally speaking, it's always been sort of the stepsister of the five with most people I've encountered. It was actually my first Pavement album and I played it so many times that I've lost all perspective on it, but even so I think it's a little unjustly neglected.

I don't know what's even left for a Terror Twilight special edition though-- All the Spiral songs showed up on his solo albums, the b-sides are obvious demo-y pisstakes since the producer made the band record song-by-song and there doesn't appear to have been money wasted like in the good ol' days. I think it's very underrated and holds up quite well, but I hope Matador has some sort of holy grail of bonuses stashed away for a rainy day

[Funk]

I don't know what's even left for a Terror Twilight special edition though-- All the Spiral songs showed up on his solo albums, the b-sides are obvious demo-y pisstakes since the producer made the band record song-by-song and there doesn't appear to have been money wasted like in the good ol' days. I think it's very underrated and holds up quite well, but I hope Matador has some sort of holy grail of bonuses stashed away for a rainy day

A recording of the Matador 10th anniversary show?

[Patrick]

A recording of the Matador 10th anniversary show?

Yes, we have that.

[the Pawnbroker]

Ok Patrick, just fork over the 10th Anniversary Show recording and no one gets hurt.

That cover of Neil Young's "Stupid Girl" was fun city.

[stevethehouse]

$65 puts this thing a little bit closer to my price range.

Will this boxset have the same re-mastering job as the CD set?

[Patrick]

Quoting Jesper from earlier in the thread:

The CD doesn't clip, this has already been discussed here. Yes the CD is louder than the original version, but it doesn't clip nor is it overly hot.

The LP will sound quite different, it wasn't done 100% old skool analog like the Burma reissues but indeed, it will be much lower in volume than the CD.

[stevethehouse]

Excellent. I'm sold.

[Draper]

Strangely enough, the drop from $75 to $65 makes more willing to consider an otherwise insane triple-dip on this album. If I get on the internet drunk this weekend my impulse purchase trigger may get pulled.

I will bitch and moan about it afterwards though, on this board!

[Dave]

Strangely enough, the drop from $75 to $65 makes more willing to consider an otherwise insane triple-dip on this album. If I get on the internet drunk this weekend my impulse purchase trigger may get pulled.

I will bitch and moan about it afterwards though, on this board!

It's after noon here on the East coast. Feel free to start drinking now.

[stevethehouse]

Strangely enough, the drop from $75 to $65 makes more willing to consider an otherwise insane triple-dip on this album. If I get on the internet drunk this weekend my impulse purchase trigger may get pulled.

I will bitch and moan about it afterwards though, on this board!

I'm glad I'm not the only one who needs to drink before making these type of purchases. :D

[Funk]

Strangely enough, the drop from $75 to $65 makes more willing to consider an otherwise insane triple-dip on this album.

2 X 2LPs (180gm) = $48

1 X 4LPs (120 gm) = $65

$65 = "better bargain"?

[Patrick]

Funk you're not factoring the cost of the accordion gatefold pak or the booklet.

120 gram at RTI is still $3 per disc.

[Draper]

2 X 2LPs (180gm) = $48

1 X 4LPs (120 gm) = $65

$65 = "better bargain"?

I just spent the $65 on it this afternoon even though I completely agree that it's a ridiculous price for most people. I convinced (maybe fooled) myself that it's a piece of music and fun packaging/artwork that I'll likely keep and enjoy for many years, and thus worth the stretch.

But yeah, it's a ripoff considering all the other great music you could be buying instead for a third of the cost. I have no doubt that I'm in an extreme minority of buyers and that this will be a terrible seller for Matador.

[Funk]

Funk you're not factoring the cost of the accordion gatefold pak or the booklet.

120 gram at RTI is still $3 per disc.

Daydream Nation 4LP box with full-colour large booklet and printed inner sleeves in hardcover box + Goo 4LP box with full-colour large booklet and printed inner sleeves in hardcover box = $58

Significantly less historically important Pavement LP done 4LP style with full colour booklet and accordion gatefold jacket = $65

[Draper]

Daydream Nation 4LP box with full-colour large booklet and printed inner sleeves in hardcover box + Goo 4LP box with full-colour large booklet and printed inner sleeves in hardcover box = $58

Significantly less historically important Pavement LP done 4LP style with full colour booklet and accordion gatefold jacket = $65

That's really kind of quibbling over $7. Although I think the Sonic Youth deluxe was overpriced as well.

Really for me the main issue is them putting out the vinyl so soon after the CD reissue. I'll take them at their word that it was accidental, but it's still the same result for the customer.

[Elijah]

Cost control is as essential a part of designing a good LP package as look and feel. A four panel accordion gatefold with a varnished outer sleeve is a great and beautiful thing, but not if it results in a price that most fans balk at. The 4LP Daydream Nation box can be had for $28 (http://www.buyolympia.com/killrockstars/Item=GOO013LP). That is a freaking huge difference in price, with only a negligible difference in quality.

[tinobeat]

Funk you're not factoring the cost of the accordion gatefold pak or the booklet.

120 gram at RTI is still $3 per disc.

$3/disc to press?! Including setup costs and all that?

[threelobed]

$3/disc to press?! Including setup costs and all that?

RTI ain't cheap - i can attest to that. $3 for 120g likely accounts just about all of the other costs (laquers, labels, etc) but obviously i'm not looking into matador's books or anything.

anyway, i'm not really sure why this thread has gone on for so long. yeah - matador put a set out that's a little more expensive that some folks would prefer not on the same timeline as the 2xCD. it's not like matador has a history of double-dipping folks across their entire catalog. they're seemingly pretty straight up folks. some folks out there would have bought both the CD and the LP versions due to the inclusion of the live LP with the CD preorders - don't forget to leave that out of the equation.

it's not like matador has a history of double-dipping folks across their entire catalog. they're seemingly pretty straight up folks.

[Funk]

That's really kind of quibbling over $7. Although I think the Sonic Youth deluxe was overpriced as well.


You do realise I just pointed out that you could buy TWO Sonic Youth 4LP box sets for $58, right? That's hardly "quibbling over $7".

it's not like matador has a history of double-dipping folks across their entire catalog.

No, you're right, only for Pavement, Cat Power, JSBX, Interpol....

[threelobed]

No, you're right, only for Pavement, Cat Power, JSBX, Interpol....

i hardly see how things like reissuing pavement records *years* after their initial release with full discs of extras or reissuing cat power discs with no new material (in an effort to help the artist gain a higher profile) can be seen as double-dipping.

simple - you don't want any of this stuff, don't buy it.

[Funk]

i hardly see how things like reissuing pavement records *years* after their initial release with full discs of extras or reissuing cat power discs with no new material (in an effort to help the artist gain a higher profile) can be seen as double-dipping.

Depending on where you bought it from, Matador enclosed a bonus CDEP with Terror Twilight. And have you seen Chan's fans on this board? Changing a cover picture is just cruel.

[tinobeat]

RTI ain't cheap - i can attest to that. $3 for 120g likely accounts just about all of the other costs (laquers, labels, etc) but obviously i'm not looking into matador's books or anything.

Yeah, $3/disc with all setup is a different story, I just thought that was actual pressing cost per disc. I know years ago RTI 180 used to be like 1.95/disc (plus setup costs) so I wasn't sure if their prices had skyrocketed..

[Elijah]

Have you seen Chan's fans on this board? Changing a cover picture is just cruel.There’s a fine line between being a victim and being a volunteer.

[baconfat]

Depending on where you bought it from, Matador enclosed a bonus CDEP with Terror Twilight.

You mean that CD-ROM with the videos on it? Is that considered a collector's item now? You can see those things on YouTube and the Pave DVD these days. I'm pretty sure it was explicitly clear that that "bonus" disc wasn't going to have any new music on it.

[threelobed]

Depending on where you bought it from, Matador enclosed a bonus CDEP with Terror Twilight. And have you seen Chan's fans on this board? Changing a cover picture is just cruel.

as baconfat so rightly pointed out, this was a pavement promo video CDROM, certainly not anything with any new music on it.

[Draper]

You do realise I just pointed out that you could buy TWO Sonic Youth 4LP box sets for $58, right? That's hardly "quibbling over $7".

Oops, bad reading comprehension there on my part. YIKES! That price disparity is shocking. To be fair though, I'd bet the SY reissues retailed for a helluva lot more when first released. Still, their current price probably is a more accurate reflection of what the market will bear right now.

[tinobeat]

When the SY boxes came out I saw them ranging from $28 on the low end to $40 on the very highest end, for what its worth.

[abevigoda]

I received my set from Insound this morning. It really is beautifully done.

Thanks to all involved.

[Draper]

I placed my order last Thursday direct from Matador but haven't gotten a shipping confirmation email yet.

[Dean]

Hey Draper, could you email me at dean@matadordirect.com?
Thanks!

[stevethehouse]

Oops, bad reading comprehension there on my part. YIKES! That price disparity is shocking. To be fair though, I'd bet the SY reissues retailed for a helluva lot more when first released. Still, their current price probably is a more accurate reflection of what the market will bear right now.

All 3 were $31 when I first purchased them at the time of their release.

To be fair though, they didn't use 2 coats of special varnish on the covers. :D

[Draper]

Hey Draper, could you email me at dean@matadordirect.com?
Thanks!

Just sent you an email. Thanks

[sashwap]

matador - i will buy a flac of "agony of the stars" from you. just let me know. and the single version of "and then." i'd buy 'em even if i owned to BTC vinyl (which i may purchase someday when i have the money to spare). it's just i need clean, non-vinyl rips for my ipod/mix cds. it is very important. thank you!

[Jason]

Any plans to press Wowee Zowee again on vinyl?

[sashwap]

matador - i will buy a flac of "agony of the stars" from you. just let me know. and the single version of "and then." i'd buy 'em even if i owned to BTC vinyl (which i may purchase someday when i have the money to spare). it's just i need clean, non-vinyl rips for my ipod/mix cds. it is very important. thank you!

just let me know, guys. just let me know.

[Elijah]

It’s probably not that easy. Contracts, mechanicals, publishing, royalties, etc.

[sashwap]

true, true. i know. i was just being a pain....pavement makes me do crazy things.

[threelobed]

picked up the 4xLP set yesterday - it's really swank. very nice stuff. FYI matador folks - the mp3 download of the set is a little screwy. there are 4 incorrectly tagged/incorrect files in the downloadable *.zip file. they are -

1) there are two copies of the vocal version of "birds in the majik industry" and no versions of the instrumental.
2) there are two copies of the BBC "harness your hopes," "winner of the" and two copies of the "type slowly" live from the tibetan freedom concert. i believe these files were all incorrectly tagged as other songs).
3) there are no copies of "painted soliders," "what goes on" or "kris kraft" from KCRW included within the zip.

[Funk]

as baconfat so rightly pointed out, this was a pavement promo video CDROM, certainly not anything with any new music on it.

Yes, because as baconfat so rightly also pointed out YouTube and DVDs were really popular in 1999, so there wasn't much handwringing to be done as to whether to search out the special edition. It doesn't change the fact that there were two versions of TT: The one you could buy at your local record emporium, or the one you could pick up thru Matador's agreement with CDWhenever. I'm sure Paul and Tinobeat and Otto and myself probably suffered thru Matthew Perpetua complaining about this at the time.

[threelobed]

It doesn't change the fact that there were two versions of TT.

actually, there was only *one* version of TT on CD/vinyl. the CDROM was not packaged with the album and was a separate entity.

[baconfat]

where is the download code to be found in the vinyl package? i don't recall seeing one in mine...

[threelobed]

where is the download code to be found in the vinyl package? i don't recall seeing one in mine...

small paper slip in the pocket with the 4th LP for me...

[Dave]

where is the download code to be found in the vinyl package? i don't recall seeing one in mine...

Baconfat, when you find it don't use it until we get this sorted out (next day or so).

[Patrick]

We are working on getting the download fixed folks. Thanks for your patience.

[Dave]

Now fixed. Download away.

[baconfat]

thanks dean. but your download page still has this message:

Pavement - Brighten The Corners 4xLP
Hi, we ran into a little problem with this file. We're trying to sort out the bonus files, so please don't donwload the file below for a couple of days (today is 8/30) we should be back soon. If you run into any problems email dean@matadordirect.com

so either it's not actually fixed or the page needs to be updated.

[baconfat]

Beastie Boys selling Ill Communication 3LP reissue for $90. Beat that, Matador!

[Dean]

fixed! thanks for the heads up

[Miss Tasty Princess]

As for providing CD purchasers with MP3s of the extra tracks - we will consider it. Right now our focus has to be on recouping some of the huge expense of producing this beast.
Any decisions yet? I want those tracks, too, but $65 is just more than I can justify, especially considering it would be my third time to purchase the album and third time to purchase all the b-sides from the various singles I bought when the original was released.

:(

[cubbykat]

Any plans to press Wowee Zowee again on vinyl?

Or specifically, in one of these $65 4 LP sets? I'll pony up today for that, and I've already got WZ on vinyl.

[cubbykat]

Actually, am I blind or is the "Stereo (Remix)" also missing from the mp3 downloads?

[Arthur]

Hi. I was originally intending to buy all of the recently re-issued expanded Pavement CDs (even though I had all the original albums on CD) except that so much other good music was coming out that I wanted to hear. So my money was spent on that instead. I’m glad I procrastinated. I spotted the BTC expanded vinyl edition in my local record store and snapped it up straight away. Yes it was on the expensive side but for me it was worth it. The packaging is really well made and great to look at. The book and photos are interesting and it’s so good to now have all the extra material in one package. The sound quality is fantastic across all 8 sides and the vinyl has very low surface noise.

If for no other reason than to encourage Matador to continue with the release of the expanded Pavement re-issues (and all other albums) on high quality vinyl, I offer my humble congratulations and thanks. You’ve made my month. I know they are expensive and that Matador probably does not end up making that much on these beasts but I really, really hope that all the other Pavement records get the deluxe expanded vinyl re-issue treatment. I’ll definitely be buying them. To tide me over, and just in case these records aren’t re-issued in this way, I’ve gone out and bought S+E and CRCR on 180gm vinyl. When is WZ coming out on 180gm wax? And why do Americans use metric for vinyl and illicit drugs?

Having said all that, I can appreciate the frustration from some that they probably would not have bought the CD version if they had known the vinyl was coming. Maybe Matador could sweeten the deal for these folks by including extra stuff (I need a Pavement sticker for my hardhat and Watery Domestic in it's own original and with original artwork would be great) with the vinyl re-issues. Is any announcement going to be made on the future of these vinyl expanded re-issues?

Anyway, thanks once again.

Cheers,
A.

[sashwap]

Any decisions yet? I want those tracks, too, but $65 is just more than I can justify, especially considering it would be my third time to purchase the album and third time to purchase all the b-sides from the various singles I bought when the original was released.

:(

i too am anxiously awaiting any word on this matter! please matador!

[Miss Tasty Princess]

I just checked Amazon for the heck of it, and found it's currently in stock and selling for $23.99 (and, of course, I ordered it). Their prices change frequently, so don't delay.

LINK (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0026T4RS4/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=forumplug-20&linkCode=as2&camp=217145&creative=399369&creativeASIN=B0026T4RS4)